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you're in the paracast

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the gold standard of paranormal radio

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and now

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we're back with gene and chris and a

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fascinating sort of change of pace

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episode coming up we'll talk to you

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about it

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very soon now in last week's episode of

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after the power cast

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chris was talking about solid

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developments in really doing ufo

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you know for working with mark d'antonio

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mr trumbull the famous special effects

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expert on their project and of course

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the san luis valley

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camera project all this stuff to

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attempt to record events in progress and

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get real data not just someone writing

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something down i saw this i saw that

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we've got thousands tens of thousands

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hundreds of thousands of those and where

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have we gone speaking of after the

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we've been getting a really good amount

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of positive comments about after the

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power cast so chris would you tell our

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listeners please how they can hear it

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too this is a chance for you to get a

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version of the show that's got a little

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bit better quality audio it's higher

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resolution audio and it's uh the network

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commercials have been taken out for a

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modest five dollars a month you can go

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ahead and get

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that commercial free show plus

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we do a half hour show at the end of our

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regular show where we either continue

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the conversation or get in to some areas

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that we don't normally talk about on the

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air for instance and uh

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you can get after the pair cast like i

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said for an extra five you know for five

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dollars a month or if you want to go for

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a year it's 50

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how much is it for five years gene 175

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for five years 175 so you're getting the

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equivalent of 18 months free of charge

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and you have been very generous my

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friend because those who subscribe for a

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year or five years what do they get they

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get a copy of my ebook stalking the

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tricksters which goes into a lot of

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areas that we're going to be covering

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today with eric vargo so there it is

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after the paracast uh we've graduated to

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the let your hair down

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tell it like it is scenario there and uh

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so tune in and uh sign up this is what

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makes

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the power cast different from a lot of

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other radio shows i'm not going to rag

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on anybody because i think some people

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like micah hanks and other people are

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doing really remarkable work in this

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field micah hanks is a you know a young

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whippersnapper and i always commend him

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for the work he does on the greatly in

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report and everything so there's a lot

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of good work out there but we try to

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probe areas that we hope will have

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meaningful results not repeat the errors

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now if you want to learn more about

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getting after the power cast and the ad

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free version of the show go to

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plus.thepowercast.com

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i'm just going to ask you look at the

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instructions because it takes a couple

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of steps to make this happen this is not

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an easy thing for us to do and we had to

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go through a bunch of hoops to make it

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a very very wide range of subjects that

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well of course the roswell slides

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and frequent posters red pill junkie is

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going to be there on may 5th so we

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this episode i think 1989 was a chris

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where they had this woman reported

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now i'm looking at the book apparently

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it's still available witness the true

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abductions and some people feel that

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linda made it all up

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lots of incorrect information one of our

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of these people he has done an extensive

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amazing he posts in our forums and says

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here's 17 references for you to check

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because that's how complicated this case

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is now i don't pretend to know what

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happened there well i don't know gene

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the whole thing about paris de quay are

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the the secretary general of the u.n

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clouded their minds that the aliens put

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forth they're using their power like the

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shadow the cloud your mind so you can't

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actually he said cloud men's minds but

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you know what about women they couldn't

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there are questions legitimate questions

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to ask i guess the problem has been is

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that it's so replete with personal

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attacking bud hopkins integrity saying

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that he's a fool he was fooled by linda

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that she fooled him

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anyone's fool

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what we perceive it to be the reality of

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abductions may be very different from

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tiny bit of it don't you want to have a

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how many people die or suffer serious

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world forget about whether you believe

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that we're contributing to global

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suggest guests in this thread and i

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synchronicity and uh the possibility

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introduced to a very very brilliant

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his work uh goes the width and breath

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all sorts of reality studies and of

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anthropologist uh he applies all these

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things uh in a very unique way so we're

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gonna have fun with eric today and

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hopefully this will be the first of uh

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several return visits with him

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the guest is eric argo

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put your conceptions

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of reality

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at the front door leave them there

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because they're about to change with

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first came attack of the rockoids and it

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was a critically acclaimed success and

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now there is the coming of the

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protectors a former military

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intelligence man is contacted by a space

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woman in a dream a dream that turns out

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to be a nightmare because evil forces on

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her distant planet are planning to

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conquer the earth this is gripping

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science fiction of the classic kind

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attack of the rockoids and the coming of

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the protectors find out more at

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rockoids.com that's

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so here's what happened i was placing an

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order online the site went down it took

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hours before it returned but i'd already

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so long time ago

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i heard my first robin williams

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comedy presentation on hbo or something

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was doing his

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nightclub act

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and one of the lines he says is reality

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what a concept

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and that takes us to eric wago who is

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our guest this week and we're going to

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take you

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to a new reality

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or realities

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and it's going to be a fascinating

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journey and i'm not pretending i know

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much about this except that i have a

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reality i'd love to change but you know

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that's about it

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eric welcome to the powercast thanks for

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having me this is great well let me ask

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you a really simple basic stupid

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question

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and then we'll go on and that is here

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can we depend on reality being a

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constant

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that is predictable that can be learned

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or is it just a mishmash of all sorts of

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influences

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uh

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i'd say the latter i i really don't

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think that reality is a constant

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at all and it very much depends on your

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point of view i mean that's

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an old idea you know it's relativism

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basically but i think it really

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operates on a very fundamental

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level i think

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you know there's this kind of popular

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notion

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of you know the universe is kind of this

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glass football that you know everything

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is sort of fixed and

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and and if you could just know every

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particle and position every particle in

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the universe you know all the outcomes

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and i don't think there is such a thing

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i don't think there's any one history

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uh or any one

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you know reality

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uh unfolding it just depends on your

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point of view

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at the american pubic as i like to refer

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to them there is definitely a

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there's a constant there i think it's uh

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corn fed inbred and brain dead for the

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most part

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you know i hate to sound like that but

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boy there's millions of people walking

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around in constant

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in a constant i'll underline that word

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constant state of waking coma other than

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that uh it's it's a pleasure speaking

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with someone that actually has a head on

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their shoulders and is able to look at

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these very mind warping subjects but i

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mean even look at them number one and

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number two make make heads or tails out

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of it and come up with some real

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creative thinking i'm your coincidence

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chaos archetypes in our science

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fictional world article just bowled me

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over i mean this is good stuff and uh

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that's why i thought it was real

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important to introduce you to our very

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up to speed listenership at the paracast

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here and jeff davis one of our posters

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is a big fan of yours he um he's been

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following your stuff for years and uh

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has mentioned your name uh to us and i'm

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it's really a pleasure to finally get

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you on the show and

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and talk about some of these mind

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warping things that aren't as constant

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as people

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think they are well thank you that's

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great let's kind of dive in here first

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of all why don't you give us a little

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background on your education

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uh what got you

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uh started in you know in this

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particular realm of kind of heady heady

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thinking give us a little who is eric

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wargo give us a sense of who we are well

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okay i got have a phd in anthropology

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but i did not go into

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academia i went into science writing

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after i finished my dissertation i just

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didn't want to

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do the whole academic thing i'm not

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really cut out for spending my whole

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life my head buried

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you know in one

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really narrow little

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you know obscure little topic i kind of

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want to

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explore everything and then move on when

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i'm done so science writing sort of gave

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me uh you know

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it's turned out to be a really good

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career for me uh and so i worked for

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a psychology organization for a long

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time in an archaeology organization for

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a long time and then now i'm working for

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the national institutes of health as a

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science writer

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so i'm writing about a lot of

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neuroscience stuff and all that so

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that's my day job but how did i get into

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uh all this

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paranormal

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uh all the stuff that you guys

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deal with on the pericast

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i guess i've always been interested in

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in

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ufos

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esp whatnot but sort of it was always in

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the back of my mind and then

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in 2009 i had a couple of

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ufo experiences

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not very minor you know they were just

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balls of light at a distance you know

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nothing like super

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you know earth shattering but they sort

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of got me to actually do my due

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diligence and do some reading about the

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subject and that was the first time i

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really became aware that oh my god

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there's really smart people

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actually studying this stuff

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you know this isn't just

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a kooky fringe

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arena i mean it is partly that but it's

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yeah right

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um now there were some very smart people

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writing about this stuff and

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um and at that point you know mac tony's

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had a blog but that really inspired me

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and i thought you know hey i'm gonna

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start talking about this stuff on my

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blog and sort of reacting to things i

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was reading

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and

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so i went down you know went down the

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rabbit hole and uh it started out you

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know with the ufo stuff i mean i i

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i you know read everything i could find

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and and of course

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like a lot of i'm sure like you guys and

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like a lot of a lot of your listeners

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you know i really

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gravitated to the work of jacques ballet

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i mean he he has been a huge huge

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inspiration for me in all kinds of ways

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and it's sort of in grappling with the

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ideas that he

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puts out there

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that he kind of forces you to start

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thinking about these other

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topics that are

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that for me were always a little bit

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more like i don't know if i want to you

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know i didn't have trouble do you know

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think i didn't have trouble with the

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concept of ufos i did have trouble with

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the concept of esp

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and

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i've never really done much

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reading about it but you know it forced

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me to to to get into it and

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um and i was i have to say that was

547
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probably a bigger paradigm shift for me

548
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than even

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you know thinking about the ufo subject

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uh because i grew up my parents were

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both psychologists my you know

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scientifically organized psychologists

553
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and there was no group of people more

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skeptical about hp

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the mainstream scientific psychologists

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and so you know just the just the very

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concept of so both your parents were

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psychologists yeah well how come you

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sound so normal aren't kids i call

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psychologists totally

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it's taken me 48 years to get it okay

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[Music]

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00:21:08,870 --> 00:21:06,960
well maybe you're hiding the real truth

564
00:21:11,750 --> 00:21:08,880
here and you're just putting on this

565
00:21:14,549 --> 00:21:11,760
calm demeanor and all the chaos is

566
00:21:15,669 --> 00:21:14,559
happening underneath right well there

567
00:21:17,750 --> 00:21:15,679
could be that

568
00:21:19,350 --> 00:21:17,760
well a lot of a lot of meditation has

569
00:21:21,350 --> 00:21:19,360
helped me become normal i have to tell

570
00:21:22,710 --> 00:21:21,360
you yeah so

571
00:21:24,070 --> 00:21:22,720
so it's the

572
00:21:25,990 --> 00:21:24,080
yeah i think it was originally jacques

573
00:21:27,909 --> 00:21:26,000
malay and of course he kind of

574
00:21:30,549 --> 00:21:27,919
when you read chocolate of course

575
00:21:33,350 --> 00:21:30,559
you get introduced to the whole sri

576
00:21:34,549 --> 00:21:33,360
world of remote viewing and and that and

577
00:21:35,990 --> 00:21:34,559
that whole

578
00:21:37,669 --> 00:21:36,000
thing and so that's

579
00:21:38,549 --> 00:21:37,679
become a real strong interest of mine in

580
00:21:40,710 --> 00:21:38,559
the last

581
00:21:41,590 --> 00:21:40,720
couple years especially i kind of i kind

582
00:21:45,909 --> 00:21:41,600
of

583
00:21:47,510 --> 00:21:45,919
you know i i think with with everyone

584
00:21:49,990 --> 00:21:47,520
you reach a point where you realize oh

585
00:21:52,070 --> 00:21:50,000
my god this this is just this whole

586
00:21:53,029 --> 00:21:52,080
topic is just a quagmire

587
00:21:55,350 --> 00:21:53,039
um

588
00:21:56,710 --> 00:21:55,360
it's just you know it's well that's why

589
00:21:58,870 --> 00:21:56,720
we need to bring it

590
00:22:00,789 --> 00:21:58,880
to the next level and that would be

591
00:22:02,950 --> 00:22:00,799
fixed uh you know

592
00:22:04,789 --> 00:22:02,960
hard data monitoring arrays uh

593
00:22:07,190 --> 00:22:04,799
triangulated cameras magnetometers

594
00:22:09,270 --> 00:22:07,200
gravitometers you know do it right like

595
00:22:11,510 --> 00:22:09,280
uh sure a scientific organization can do

596
00:22:12,630 --> 00:22:11,520
it with the technology now being so

597
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affordable

598
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and the ability over the internet with

599
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with very short latency times to

600
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actually you know have detect on motion

601
00:22:23,430 --> 00:22:21,360
record on motion capabilities this is

602
00:22:25,430 --> 00:22:23,440
where the i think the real nuts and

603
00:22:28,230 --> 00:22:25,440
bolts ufology is going

604
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yes where is nuts and bolts ufology

605
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going we have eric wargo

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we're tearing apart our concept of

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reality and trying to figure out how to

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it doesn't take the place of taking

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this is jacques valley you're listening

708
00:27:23,830 --> 00:27:11,039
to the paracast

709
00:27:27,029 --> 00:27:25,750
so let me tell you right now if you're

710
00:27:29,029 --> 00:27:27,039
expecting

711
00:27:30,470 --> 00:27:29,039
a normal run of

712
00:27:32,549 --> 00:27:30,480
ghosts and

713
00:27:34,950 --> 00:27:32,559
bigfoot and ufos

714
00:27:37,269 --> 00:27:34,960
turn the dial to another station do

715
00:27:38,630 --> 00:27:37,279
people do that anymore turn the dial to

716
00:27:40,390 --> 00:27:38,640
another station i think you just push a

717
00:27:42,390 --> 00:27:40,400
button

718
00:27:44,549 --> 00:27:42,400
you just dated yourself well listen i

719
00:27:47,669 --> 00:27:44,559
was building youtube radios when i was a

720
00:27:49,669 --> 00:27:47,679
kid and crystal radios when i was a kid

721
00:27:52,549 --> 00:27:49,679
so yeah you can date me

722
00:27:54,710 --> 00:27:52,559
but not in reality anyway eric largo is

723
00:27:55,590 --> 00:27:54,720
here with gina and chris and the power

724
00:27:58,310 --> 00:27:55,600
cast

725
00:27:59,990 --> 00:27:58,320
and chris was framing a question

726
00:28:02,070 --> 00:28:00,000
i i think i think nuts and bolts you

727
00:28:04,470 --> 00:28:02,080
followed you we need to separate this

728
00:28:06,789 --> 00:28:04,480
out into categories i think

729
00:28:09,350 --> 00:28:06,799
someone like a jacques villa

730
00:28:11,430 --> 00:28:09,360
who's proposing a global uh effort to

731
00:28:12,549 --> 00:28:11,440
try to create you know the ultimate

732
00:28:16,070 --> 00:28:12,559
database

733
00:28:16,870 --> 00:28:16,080
i mean in writing books with chris obeck

734
00:28:18,310 --> 00:28:16,880
about

735
00:28:21,029 --> 00:28:18,320
sightings that were fairly well

736
00:28:22,389 --> 00:28:21,039
documented prior to the 1880s you know i

737
00:28:24,389 --> 00:28:22,399
think this is all well and good but if

738
00:28:26,389 --> 00:28:24,399
we really want to make progress we we

739
00:28:28,389 --> 00:28:26,399
need to come up with some hard data that

740
00:28:30,870 --> 00:28:28,399
that can be that can withstand the

741
00:28:33,669 --> 00:28:30,880
rigors of of science and uh is

742
00:28:35,350 --> 00:28:33,679
unequivocal and and unassailable this is

743
00:28:37,430 --> 00:28:35,360
where nuts and bolts ufology should be

744
00:28:39,909 --> 00:28:37,440
headed and and hopefully with with

745
00:28:41,750 --> 00:28:39,919
douglas tremble and ufotag and and my

746
00:28:43,590 --> 00:28:41,760
san luis valley project and other

747
00:28:45,110 --> 00:28:43,600
projects i'm sure that are that are out

748
00:28:46,870 --> 00:28:45,120
there i think this is where we're going

749
00:28:48,710 --> 00:28:46,880
to be taking it forward but but with

750
00:28:51,190 --> 00:28:48,720
someone like you eric you you kind of

751
00:28:52,870 --> 00:28:51,200
looking at chinks chinks in the uh armor

752
00:28:55,750 --> 00:28:52,880
of reality in our or

753
00:28:56,789 --> 00:28:55,760
you know the way that we are able to um

754
00:28:59,510 --> 00:28:56,799
sort of

755
00:29:01,029 --> 00:28:59,520
miss out force for the trees certain

756
00:29:02,710 --> 00:29:01,039
elements uh

757
00:29:04,310 --> 00:29:02,720
that are mentioned in the books and in

758
00:29:06,950 --> 00:29:04,320
the literature things like synchronicity

759
00:29:09,350 --> 00:29:06,960
for instance things like precognition

760
00:29:11,190 --> 00:29:09,360
as you mentioned esp remote viewing

761
00:29:13,590 --> 00:29:11,200
these are the types of things that that

762
00:29:17,350 --> 00:29:13,600
i think are potential windows and

763
00:29:20,070 --> 00:29:17,360
doorways that open up a wonderful

764
00:29:21,510 --> 00:29:20,080
vista of possibility and that's kind of

765
00:29:23,269 --> 00:29:21,520
where your blog really i think is

766
00:29:25,430 --> 00:29:23,279
important for people and why i'm highly

767
00:29:28,230 --> 00:29:25,440
recommending it i it's going to take me

768
00:29:30,470 --> 00:29:28,240
a while to get to get caught up on some

769
00:29:32,549 --> 00:29:30,480
of your your writing but if if it's if

770
00:29:34,389 --> 00:29:32,559
it's like your last several uh pieces

771
00:29:35,430 --> 00:29:34,399
boy i'm going to have some fun with it

772
00:29:38,149 --> 00:29:35,440
um

773
00:29:40,710 --> 00:29:38,159
why don't you give us a sense of where

774
00:29:42,389 --> 00:29:40,720
your thinking has not only developed

775
00:29:44,149 --> 00:29:42,399
with valet but but some of the other

776
00:29:46,630 --> 00:29:44,159
influences that you've had

777
00:29:48,950 --> 00:29:46,640
uh in let's maybe start in the ufo realm

778
00:29:50,870 --> 00:29:48,960
but didn't branch off uh have you read

779
00:29:52,549 --> 00:29:50,880
much of john keel's work for instance

780
00:29:54,470 --> 00:29:52,559
i've read a little bit of it yeah i've

781
00:29:56,789 --> 00:29:54,480
read a couple of his books um he's yeah

782
00:29:58,470 --> 00:29:56,799
he's great he's great honestly i have

783
00:30:00,389 --> 00:29:58,480
only i think a limited

784
00:30:02,149 --> 00:30:00,399
ability to read

785
00:30:04,310 --> 00:30:02,159
stories about

786
00:30:06,310 --> 00:30:04,320
you know some some you a lot of this

787
00:30:08,310 --> 00:30:06,320
literature is just endless stories

788
00:30:09,990 --> 00:30:08,320
endless you know fascinating encounter

789
00:30:11,590 --> 00:30:10,000
stories whatever

790
00:30:13,110 --> 00:30:11,600
in the end it's like okay i get it you

791
00:30:15,590 --> 00:30:13,120
know i'm i'm a believer though this is

792
00:30:17,350 --> 00:30:15,600
real i just i then want to understand i

793
00:30:19,669 --> 00:30:17,360
want to understand what it could be you

794
00:30:22,230 --> 00:30:19,679
know i i really want to get at you know

795
00:30:25,430 --> 00:30:22,240
what's the reality underlying this and i

796
00:30:26,470 --> 00:30:25,440
don't trust most encounter stories and i

797
00:30:28,950 --> 00:30:26,480
think that

798
00:30:29,990 --> 00:30:28,960
you know something is happening

799
00:30:33,510 --> 00:30:30,000
to

800
00:30:34,789 --> 00:30:33,520
or in the mind of the experiencer it's

801
00:30:36,630 --> 00:30:34,799
distorting

802
00:30:38,950 --> 00:30:36,640
the reality of what's going on i'm not

803
00:30:40,710 --> 00:30:38,960
i'm not at all saying that it's only in

804
00:30:42,549 --> 00:30:40,720
their heads but it's

805
00:30:44,710 --> 00:30:42,559
something is affecting

806
00:30:46,470 --> 00:30:44,720
their heads yeah that's constantly what

807
00:30:48,149 --> 00:30:46,480
we what we're dealing with uh in the

808
00:30:49,909 --> 00:30:48,159
abduction phenomenon what we're

809
00:30:51,510 --> 00:30:49,919
constantly talking about well where do

810
00:30:53,350 --> 00:30:51,520
you come down on that i mean what what

811
00:30:55,590 --> 00:30:53,360
kind of operative mechanism do you think

812
00:30:58,070 --> 00:30:55,600
is at play is there something truly

813
00:31:00,549 --> 00:30:58,080
external that is influencing uh some

814
00:31:03,190 --> 00:31:00,559
sort of uh inner mental process or

815
00:31:04,950 --> 00:31:03,200
emotional process yeah i'm very

816
00:31:06,710 --> 00:31:04,960
reluctant to even talk about the

817
00:31:08,549 --> 00:31:06,720
abduction phenomenon because it's

818
00:31:10,310 --> 00:31:08,559
something i don't know a lot about i

819
00:31:11,590 --> 00:31:10,320
haven't read a lot of

820
00:31:13,590 --> 00:31:11,600
a lot of the literature it's something

821
00:31:16,710 --> 00:31:13,600
it's it's sort of the corner of the

822
00:31:18,389 --> 00:31:16,720
little corner of ufology that i kind of

823
00:31:20,149 --> 00:31:18,399
set aside because it seems a little

824
00:31:21,750 --> 00:31:20,159
embarrassing a little troublesome not

825
00:31:24,549 --> 00:31:21,760
sure what not sure how to deal with it

826
00:31:26,149 --> 00:31:24,559
and frankly some of the people the big

827
00:31:28,630 --> 00:31:26,159
names who

828
00:31:31,269 --> 00:31:28,640
talked about abduction i i don't buy

829
00:31:33,750 --> 00:31:31,279
their methods and their assumptions and

830
00:31:36,389 --> 00:31:33,760
and so it's it just seems problematic to

831
00:31:37,830 --> 00:31:36,399
me and so i don't really i can't say

832
00:31:39,269 --> 00:31:37,840
that's all to say that i'm not an expert

833
00:31:41,430 --> 00:31:39,279
in abduction and so i don't want to give

834
00:31:44,149 --> 00:31:41,440
my opinion of what's going on i've you

835
00:31:46,389 --> 00:31:44,159
know on my blog i've i have tossed out

836
00:31:48,310 --> 00:31:46,399
some some ideas

837
00:31:50,549 --> 00:31:48,320
and this is i'm not the only one to have

838
00:31:53,190 --> 00:31:50,559
this idea but i think you know the idea

839
00:31:55,830 --> 00:31:53,200
of transcranial magnetic stimulation

840
00:31:58,710 --> 00:31:55,840
this is a method that's that's now used

841
00:32:01,990 --> 00:31:58,720
in hospitals and laboratories to

842
00:32:04,070 --> 00:32:02,000
actually create mental effects which

843
00:32:05,830 --> 00:32:04,080
happen to be very often very similar to

844
00:32:08,149 --> 00:32:05,840
the kinds of effects you see in

845
00:32:10,389 --> 00:32:08,159
abduction cases i mean it makes a lot of

846
00:32:12,549 --> 00:32:10,399
sense that in the presence of a powerful

847
00:32:15,830 --> 00:32:12,559
electromagnetic field like what are

848
00:32:17,590 --> 00:32:15,840
supposed to exist with a lot of ufos uh

849
00:32:19,590 --> 00:32:17,600
which disrupt car

850
00:32:21,990 --> 00:32:19,600
engines and airplane

851
00:32:23,110 --> 00:32:22,000
electronics it seems very reasonable

852
00:32:24,470 --> 00:32:23,120
that they could do the same thing to the

853
00:32:25,990 --> 00:32:24,480
human cortex

854
00:32:29,029 --> 00:32:26,000
and produce

855
00:32:31,029 --> 00:32:29,039
all the kind of classic effects familiar

856
00:32:33,190 --> 00:32:31,039
from the abduction literature is that

857
00:32:34,710 --> 00:32:33,200
the explanation the explanation i i

858
00:32:36,230 --> 00:32:34,720
don't know but i think that that

859
00:32:37,750 --> 00:32:36,240
certainly could be

860
00:32:39,430 --> 00:32:37,760
part of the story

861
00:32:41,430 --> 00:32:39,440
i also have to say

862
00:32:43,669 --> 00:32:41,440
that i don't think that the ufo

863
00:32:45,590 --> 00:32:43,679
phenomenon is any is one thing i think

864
00:32:47,750 --> 00:32:45,600
that there are multiple

865
00:32:49,750 --> 00:32:47,760
things going on that may have little to

866
00:32:51,029 --> 00:32:49,760
do with each other they've kind of

867
00:32:53,110 --> 00:32:51,039
gotten lumped

868
00:32:55,430 --> 00:32:53,120
together so i don't know that there's

869
00:32:57,509 --> 00:32:55,440
any one answer to these things okay so

870
00:32:58,870 --> 00:32:57,519
we're lumping together a number of

871
00:33:00,710 --> 00:32:58,880
different things and certainly you

872
00:33:03,029 --> 00:33:00,720
appear to have done that when you

873
00:33:04,470 --> 00:33:03,039
separate out the abduction scenario from

874
00:33:06,950 --> 00:33:04,480
the rest

875
00:33:08,950 --> 00:33:06,960
what else have we put together

876
00:33:10,389 --> 00:33:08,960
in one bucket that maybe should be in

877
00:33:11,350 --> 00:33:10,399
separate buckets

878
00:33:13,430 --> 00:33:11,360
well

879
00:33:15,269 --> 00:33:13,440
another bucket that i'm not very happy

880
00:33:17,269 --> 00:33:15,279
with is of course the roswell thing and

881
00:33:19,190 --> 00:33:17,279
i know you guys aren't either that's

882
00:33:20,789 --> 00:33:19,200
just that's just a

883
00:33:22,549 --> 00:33:20,799
i mean i don't even read the stories

884
00:33:26,149 --> 00:33:22,559
anymore about the roswell slides and

885
00:33:30,389 --> 00:33:28,230
yeah i've been to roswell and it's like

886
00:33:32,870 --> 00:33:30,399
a virus it's it's creeping out over the

887
00:33:35,590 --> 00:33:32,880
countryside uh the closer you get to

888
00:33:37,190 --> 00:33:35,600
roswell new mexico the more alien images

889
00:33:39,909 --> 00:33:37,200
you encounter and by the time you're 50

890
00:33:41,669 --> 00:33:39,919
miles 40 miles away everything is aliens

891
00:33:43,750 --> 00:33:41,679
and when you get into roswell even the

892
00:33:46,230 --> 00:33:43,760
country and western clothing stores have

893
00:33:47,909 --> 00:33:46,240
alien mannequins it is

894
00:33:49,990 --> 00:33:47,919
i break out in hives and places i don't

895
00:33:51,430 --> 00:33:50,000
know where to put calamine lotion you

896
00:33:53,830 --> 00:33:51,440
know i'm going to find

897
00:33:55,669 --> 00:33:53,840
really enjoyment in how you react next

898
00:33:57,990 --> 00:33:55,679
week because we're apparently going to

899
00:33:59,750 --> 00:33:58,000
have red pill junkie here

900
00:34:01,669 --> 00:33:59,760
and he's our

901
00:34:02,870 --> 00:34:01,679
favorite cutting edge thinker from

902
00:34:05,509 --> 00:34:02,880
mexico

903
00:34:07,190 --> 00:34:05,519
and he's going to attend the roswell

904
00:34:10,310 --> 00:34:07,200
slides event

905
00:34:11,829 --> 00:34:10,320
in mexico city on may 5th oh miguel is

906
00:34:13,510 --> 00:34:11,839
going to have a he's going to have so

907
00:34:15,990 --> 00:34:13,520
much fun yeah

908
00:34:18,149 --> 00:34:16,000
well i'm yeah that'll be fun to see what

909
00:34:20,550 --> 00:34:18,159
happens but oh my god or what doesn't

910
00:34:22,310 --> 00:34:20,560
happen or what doesn't happen right

911
00:34:25,349 --> 00:34:22,320
right um no

912
00:34:26,230 --> 00:34:25,359
good i better him than me

913
00:34:29,750 --> 00:34:26,240
yeah

914
00:34:32,790 --> 00:34:29,760
you know i think that whole the whole

915
00:34:35,190 --> 00:34:32,800
notion of crashed saucers and

916
00:34:37,589 --> 00:34:35,200
and all the ideas that spin off from

917
00:34:39,430 --> 00:34:37,599
that like you know uh

918
00:34:40,629 --> 00:34:39,440
you know re-engineering

919
00:34:42,149 --> 00:34:40,639
you know

920
00:34:44,470 --> 00:34:42,159
technical alien technology all that

921
00:34:45,990 --> 00:34:44,480
stuff i mean that i just don't

922
00:34:48,069 --> 00:34:46,000
you know that is

923
00:34:51,030 --> 00:34:48,079
uh sort of off my radar pretty much

924
00:34:52,149 --> 00:34:51,040
completely i i don't however completely

925
00:34:55,750 --> 00:34:52,159
discount

926
00:34:58,390 --> 00:34:55,760
the eth the extraterrestrial hypothesis

927
00:35:00,870 --> 00:34:58,400
um as long as you revise it and this

928
00:35:03,109 --> 00:35:00,880
i've written about a lot on my blog too

929
00:35:04,790 --> 00:35:03,119
uh i think that

930
00:35:06,950 --> 00:35:04,800
you know the whole when people when you

931
00:35:08,630 --> 00:35:06,960
say ufos people in their minds

932
00:35:11,030 --> 00:35:08,640
immediately there's this image of a

933
00:35:13,190 --> 00:35:11,040
little flying saucer with with a you

934
00:35:15,030 --> 00:35:13,200
know a little gray man behind the wheel

935
00:35:18,390 --> 00:35:15,040
like you know this is very

936
00:35:20,230 --> 00:35:18,400
you know 1950s image and unfortunately

937
00:35:21,430 --> 00:35:20,240
the public still thinks that way and you

938
00:35:22,710 --> 00:35:21,440
can't blame them they don't they haven't

939
00:35:24,310 --> 00:35:22,720
been educated that there are more

940
00:35:29,910 --> 00:35:24,320
sophisticated

941
00:35:31,109 --> 00:35:29,920
ideas out there um but i i do think that

942
00:35:36,630 --> 00:35:31,119
the

943
00:35:38,390 --> 00:35:36,640
modified eth and this is something i

944
00:35:39,589 --> 00:35:38,400
have written about on my blog a lot i

945
00:35:41,270 --> 00:35:39,599
think that

946
00:35:42,710 --> 00:35:41,280
that is very

947
00:35:45,030 --> 00:35:42,720
reasonable

948
00:35:46,950 --> 00:35:45,040
not from ufo uh you don't even have to

949
00:35:48,790 --> 00:35:46,960
look at the ufo data you don't even have

950
00:35:51,109 --> 00:35:48,800
to look at the ufo phenomena just

951
00:35:55,030 --> 00:35:51,119
looking at all the models of

952
00:35:55,829 --> 00:35:55,040
interstellar colonization and expansion

953
00:35:57,190 --> 00:35:55,839
uh

954
00:35:59,270 --> 00:35:57,200
proposed

955
00:36:01,349 --> 00:35:59,280
you know in order to sort of investigate

956
00:36:03,270 --> 00:36:01,359
the you know the fermi paradox and all

957
00:36:05,430 --> 00:36:03,280
that or the actually the models that the

958
00:36:08,069 --> 00:36:05,440
fermi paradox is based on you know the

959
00:36:11,030 --> 00:36:08,079
the which all point to the idea that our

960
00:36:13,589 --> 00:36:11,040
our galaxy should be completely

961
00:36:16,310 --> 00:36:13,599
inhabited colonized whatever you want to

962
00:36:18,550 --> 00:36:16,320
call it by now um

963
00:36:20,069 --> 00:36:18,560
you know or we're alone that's that's

964
00:36:21,829 --> 00:36:20,079
you know somehow the dichotomy that

965
00:36:23,430 --> 00:36:21,839
we're represented with i think these are

966
00:36:25,510 --> 00:36:23,440
very unrealistic

967
00:36:26,470 --> 00:36:25,520
because they assume

968
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969
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the trajectory of a technological

970
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society is going to be expansion

971
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972
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you know into the universe you know

973
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974
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985
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987
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1090
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listening to the peercast

1091
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[Music]

1092
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chris is descending into his trickster

1093
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voice it's going to come full blown as

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we go on eric wargoes our guest he's a

1095
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science writer ph.d in anthropology

1096
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and he's telling us a lot of things that

1097
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maybe you didn't want to hear okay so

1098
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we're looking at the extremes here you

1099
00:41:42,630 --> 00:41:41,599
are mentioning eric that one the galaxy

1100
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is

1101
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plentiful with life

1102
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where we're all alone well should be

1103
00:41:50,950 --> 00:41:50,079
should be now where we're all alone

1104
00:41:52,390 --> 00:41:50,960
which

1105
00:41:54,550 --> 00:41:52,400
seems another extreme in the other

1106
00:41:55,670 --> 00:41:54,560
direction so where is the goldilocks

1107
00:41:57,589 --> 00:41:55,680
point here

1108
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i think what i was starting to say

1109
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before the break was that

1110
00:42:03,190 --> 00:42:01,680
the trajectory of a technological

1111
00:42:05,109 --> 00:42:03,200
civilization is not going to be towards

1112
00:42:06,790 --> 00:42:05,119
expansion into the universe it's going

1113
00:42:07,990 --> 00:42:06,800
to because

1114
00:42:10,150 --> 00:42:08,000
alongside

1115
00:42:12,710 --> 00:42:10,160
space flight capability is going to come

1116
00:42:14,710 --> 00:42:12,720
all the other technological advances

1117
00:42:16,550 --> 00:42:14,720
that we associate with the singularity

1118
00:42:17,990 --> 00:42:16,560
and i'm not a big singularity believer

1119
00:42:19,750 --> 00:42:18,000
either but but some version of the

1120
00:42:22,390 --> 00:42:19,760
singularity is going to happen slowly

1121
00:42:23,990 --> 00:42:22,400
over the next century or so which is

1122
00:42:24,790 --> 00:42:24,000
going to involve

1123
00:42:27,750 --> 00:42:24,800
one

1124
00:42:28,950 --> 00:42:27,760
massive extension of the lifespan and

1125
00:42:31,589 --> 00:42:28,960
massive

1126
00:42:33,190 --> 00:42:31,599
advances in computing and robotics now

1127
00:42:34,550 --> 00:42:33,200
what this is going to mean

1128
00:42:36,870 --> 00:42:34,560
is that

1129
00:42:39,190 --> 00:42:36,880
our future in space

1130
00:42:40,230 --> 00:42:39,200
is actually going to i think

1131
00:42:42,470 --> 00:42:40,240
probably

1132
00:42:43,829 --> 00:42:42,480
stop with colonization of the solar

1133
00:42:45,030 --> 00:42:43,839
system i don't think we're gonna

1134
00:42:48,230 --> 00:42:45,040
physically

1135
00:42:49,670 --> 00:42:48,240
you know our human bodies extend beyond

1136
00:42:51,109 --> 00:42:49,680
the solar system you know hopefully

1137
00:42:52,470 --> 00:42:51,119
we'll extend off the earth i would like

1138
00:42:54,870 --> 00:42:52,480
to see that and i think a lot of people

1139
00:42:57,109 --> 00:42:54,880
assume that that will happen but but by

1140
00:42:58,470 --> 00:42:57,119
the time you know by a couple centuries

1141
00:43:01,109 --> 00:42:58,480
from now we're going to be exploring the

1142
00:43:03,910 --> 00:43:01,119
universe completely via remote probes

1143
00:43:06,710 --> 00:43:03,920
remote drones self-replicating

1144
00:43:09,030 --> 00:43:06,720
and all the models show that if you send

1145
00:43:10,550 --> 00:43:09,040
out self-replicating drones and they go

1146
00:43:12,950 --> 00:43:10,560
to all the nearest star systems and then

1147
00:43:15,030 --> 00:43:12,960
there they reproduce and go to the

1148
00:43:18,309 --> 00:43:15,040
nearest star systems they will expand

1149
00:43:19,510 --> 00:43:18,319
you know exponentially and you could

1150
00:43:21,510 --> 00:43:19,520
quickly

1151
00:43:24,390 --> 00:43:21,520
you know in the space of a couple you

1152
00:43:27,109 --> 00:43:24,400
know 100 000 years or whatever

1153
00:43:28,870 --> 00:43:27,119
fill the galaxy with

1154
00:43:30,390 --> 00:43:28,880
self-replicating

1155
00:43:32,390 --> 00:43:30,400
autonomous

1156
00:43:35,109 --> 00:43:32,400
artificially intelligent

1157
00:43:38,069 --> 00:43:35,119
uh science platforms basically to

1158
00:43:39,750 --> 00:43:38,079
conduct surveillance to conduct science

1159
00:43:41,510 --> 00:43:39,760
and to basically and also just keep an

1160
00:43:43,510 --> 00:43:41,520
eye on things for security purposes i

1161
00:43:45,670 --> 00:43:43,520
mean for for just your long-term

1162
00:43:48,150 --> 00:43:45,680
security as a species

1163
00:43:49,190 --> 00:43:48,160
uh you want to know what's going on

1164
00:43:50,870 --> 00:43:49,200
everywhere

1165
00:43:53,510 --> 00:43:50,880
uh so you're going to put your cctv

1166
00:43:55,750 --> 00:43:53,520
cameras basically on every planet not

1167
00:43:56,790 --> 00:43:55,760
not just the ones that have you know

1168
00:43:58,390 --> 00:43:56,800
you know

1169
00:43:59,750 --> 00:43:58,400
intelligent civilizations like us you're

1170
00:44:00,870 --> 00:43:59,760
gonna put you're gonna put your

1171
00:44:03,030 --> 00:44:00,880
monitoring

1172
00:44:04,390 --> 00:44:03,040
on planets that have just algae because

1173
00:44:05,990 --> 00:44:04,400
you don't know what's gonna happen over

1174
00:44:08,470 --> 00:44:06,000
the next few million years so you wanna

1175
00:44:11,270 --> 00:44:08,480
stick around and watch so i think

1176
00:44:12,069 --> 00:44:11,280
that it's a very realistic assumption

1177
00:44:14,230 --> 00:44:12,079
that

1178
00:44:17,589 --> 00:44:14,240
our planet is being

1179
00:44:20,069 --> 00:44:17,599
monitored by very advanced

1180
00:44:21,670 --> 00:44:20,079
technology that would be we might not

1181
00:44:23,349 --> 00:44:21,680
even know it was here

1182
00:44:25,190 --> 00:44:23,359
and that it could be very ancient and it

1183
00:44:28,550 --> 00:44:25,200
could be have been here you know since

1184
00:44:30,950 --> 00:44:28,560
before we were even tree shrews you know

1185
00:44:32,950 --> 00:44:30,960
that's what people say oh you you're

1186
00:44:34,309 --> 00:44:32,960
into ufos you believe in aliens and i

1187
00:44:36,630 --> 00:44:34,319
say wait a minute how do you know we're

1188
00:44:38,309 --> 00:44:36,640
not the aliens and whatever people are

1189
00:44:39,990 --> 00:44:38,319
calling aliens is more isn't more

1190
00:44:41,750 --> 00:44:40,000
terrestrial than we are

1191
00:44:43,670 --> 00:44:41,760
it's like there's so many knee-jerk

1192
00:44:46,230 --> 00:44:43,680
assumptions out there that just drive me

1193
00:44:48,790 --> 00:44:46,240
up the wall sure and and part of this

1194
00:44:50,870 --> 00:44:48,800
part of what i'm proposing is also

1195
00:44:52,630 --> 00:44:50,880
you know the the idea of interstellar

1196
00:44:54,790 --> 00:44:52,640
colonization is kind of i think he's

1197
00:44:56,150 --> 00:44:54,800
kind of implicit in the fermi paradox

1198
00:44:57,510 --> 00:44:56,160
because you know he's jeremy said you

1199
00:44:59,430 --> 00:44:57,520
know where are they

1200
00:45:01,589 --> 00:44:59,440
and that implied well they should be

1201
00:45:03,349 --> 00:45:01,599
here they the the you know

1202
00:45:04,790 --> 00:45:03,359
extraterrestrial beings should be here

1203
00:45:07,190 --> 00:45:04,800
already they should be here visiting

1204
00:45:08,470 --> 00:45:07,200
they should be whatever gathering plant

1205
00:45:11,030 --> 00:45:08,480
soil samples

1206
00:45:13,670 --> 00:45:11,040
gathering samples

1207
00:45:15,349 --> 00:45:13,680
i mean how many reports have you seen

1208
00:45:17,510 --> 00:45:15,359
where the aliens are walking around

1209
00:45:19,510 --> 00:45:17,520
outside their craft looking at plants

1210
00:45:20,950 --> 00:45:19,520
and looking at things on you know in our

1211
00:45:23,430 --> 00:45:20,960
environment like they've never seen them

1212
00:45:25,270 --> 00:45:23,440
before right right it's it's ridiculous

1213
00:45:26,950 --> 00:45:25,280
it doesn't make any sense you can throw

1214
00:45:29,589 --> 00:45:26,960
something in orbit the size of a beer

1215
00:45:31,990 --> 00:45:29,599
can right they could probably have even

1216
00:45:33,829 --> 00:45:32,000
with our technology have the capability

1217
00:45:35,990 --> 00:45:33,839
of of of

1218
00:45:38,550 --> 00:45:36,000
gathering immense amounts of data

1219
00:45:39,270 --> 00:45:38,560
without ever having to you know to land

1220
00:45:41,190 --> 00:45:39,280
or

1221
00:45:43,349 --> 00:45:41,200
uh you know to to

1222
00:45:44,870 --> 00:45:43,359
interact with uh you know picking

1223
00:45:46,550 --> 00:45:44,880
daisies and looking at rocks like you've

1224
00:45:49,109 --> 00:45:46,560
never seen one before it just doesn't

1225
00:45:51,910 --> 00:45:49,119
make sense that whole scenario well i

1226
00:45:54,950 --> 00:45:51,920
agree i agree with that but consider

1227
00:45:56,230 --> 00:45:54,960
this i think and as an anthropologist

1228
00:45:58,870 --> 00:45:56,240
i'm coming at this a little differently

1229
00:46:01,190 --> 00:45:58,880
i think than most people i think that

1230
00:46:03,750 --> 00:46:01,200
that if you're actually going to do

1231
00:46:05,829 --> 00:46:03,760
science on an emerging civilization or a

1232
00:46:07,990 --> 00:46:05,839
planet you don't you don't just observe

1233
00:46:09,829 --> 00:46:08,000
i mean science is experimentation yeah

1234
00:46:11,430 --> 00:46:09,839
and it's experimentation

1235
00:46:12,710 --> 00:46:11,440
you know experimentation to create

1236
00:46:15,030 --> 00:46:12,720
reliable

1237
00:46:17,190 --> 00:46:15,040
findings you need to do experiments with

1238
00:46:18,630 --> 00:46:17,200
vast samples you need to repeat those

1239
00:46:20,630 --> 00:46:18,640
experiments again and again and then you

1240
00:46:22,150 --> 00:46:20,640
need to vary the experiments to test

1241
00:46:25,190 --> 00:46:22,160
different hypotheses

1242
00:46:26,790 --> 00:46:25,200
and i think that when you consider that

1243
00:46:29,990 --> 00:46:26,800
and you consider that in order to

1244
00:46:32,069 --> 00:46:30,000
actually provide to create a realistic

1245
00:46:33,750 --> 00:46:32,079
very reliable powerful ability to

1246
00:46:35,670 --> 00:46:33,760
predict and control

1247
00:46:38,150 --> 00:46:35,680
our behavior should you want to do that

1248
00:46:39,430 --> 00:46:38,160
ever you would need to conduct

1249
00:46:41,990 --> 00:46:39,440
pretty much the same kind of thing that

1250
00:46:44,950 --> 00:46:42,000
you see on psych labs on campuses all

1251
00:46:47,030 --> 00:46:44,960
the time which is recruiting recruiting

1252
00:46:48,870 --> 00:46:47,040
like sort of naive participants putting

1253
00:46:49,990 --> 00:46:48,880
them through some bizarre oddball

1254
00:46:51,910 --> 00:46:50,000
situation

1255
00:46:53,670 --> 00:46:51,920
and seeing how they react and doing it

1256
00:46:55,430 --> 00:46:53,680
again to another group of

1257
00:46:57,990 --> 00:46:55,440
participants and right to create a

1258
00:46:59,829 --> 00:46:58,000
database right create a database and to

1259
00:47:02,150 --> 00:46:59,839
do this and i think is if you had just a

1260
00:47:03,109 --> 00:47:02,160
long term project of knowing all that is

1261
00:47:05,430 --> 00:47:03,119
knowable

1262
00:47:07,910 --> 00:47:05,440
these machines could be generating these

1263
00:47:09,829 --> 00:47:07,920
psych experiments endlessly

1264
00:47:11,190 --> 00:47:09,839
and it kind of when you start thinking

1265
00:47:13,190 --> 00:47:11,200
those terms it kind of starts to look a

1266
00:47:14,630 --> 00:47:13,200
lot like the control system that jacques

1267
00:47:17,190 --> 00:47:14,640
ballet proposed

1268
00:47:18,870 --> 00:47:17,200
even though he was sort of he could

1269
00:47:20,230 --> 00:47:18,880
put out that theory kind of to counter

1270
00:47:21,910 --> 00:47:20,240
the eth

1271
00:47:25,030 --> 00:47:21,920
but i think that there's a version of

1272
00:47:27,670 --> 00:47:25,040
the eth and automated eth

1273
00:47:30,230 --> 00:47:27,680
that doing science endless science on

1274
00:47:32,309 --> 00:47:30,240
our species it conforms to that right it

1275
00:47:34,870 --> 00:47:32,319
conforms very closely that's a very

1276
00:47:37,910 --> 00:47:34,880
interesting uh kind of backdoor approach

1277
00:47:39,910 --> 00:47:37,920
uh uh analytical approach i kind of i

1278
00:47:41,270 --> 00:47:39,920
absolutely see the uh

1279
00:47:44,069 --> 00:47:41,280
you know i see the

1280
00:47:46,550 --> 00:47:44,079
relevance of that particular um line of

1281
00:47:48,790 --> 00:47:46,560
thinking and it could very well be

1282
00:47:50,710 --> 00:47:48,800
similar to uh scientists in the natural

1283
00:47:53,270 --> 00:47:50,720
world who are going out and tagging

1284
00:47:55,910 --> 00:47:53,280
bears and tagging animals

1285
00:47:58,630 --> 00:47:55,920
and and monitoring behavior uh

1286
00:48:00,630 --> 00:47:58,640
you know unbeknownst to the animal and

1287
00:48:02,470 --> 00:48:00,640
for the most part um

1288
00:48:04,390 --> 00:48:02,480
i think some people do kind of equate

1289
00:48:07,109 --> 00:48:04,400
the abduction phenomenon

1290
00:48:07,910 --> 00:48:07,119
into that particular possible scenario

1291
00:48:09,190 --> 00:48:07,920
where

1292
00:48:11,270 --> 00:48:09,200
you've got your

1293
00:48:13,910 --> 00:48:11,280
you know pretty much your knee-jerk uh

1294
00:48:16,230 --> 00:48:13,920
david jacobs uh bub hopkins

1295
00:48:18,150 --> 00:48:16,240
ideas of hybridization

1296
00:48:21,349 --> 00:48:18,160
of possibly

1297
00:48:22,630 --> 00:48:21,359
fortifying the genetics of a dying race

1298
00:48:24,710 --> 00:48:22,640
i mean you hear that one all the time

1299
00:48:27,750 --> 00:48:24,720
which sounds great in in theory and it's

1300
00:48:30,069 --> 00:48:27,760
kind of a cool sci-fi concept but sure i

1301
00:48:33,190 --> 00:48:30,079
i don't understand how their genetics

1302
00:48:34,630 --> 00:48:33,200
could possibly have right any any sort

1303
00:48:36,390 --> 00:48:34,640
of uh

1304
00:48:38,790 --> 00:48:36,400
possibility of of

1305
00:48:40,390 --> 00:48:38,800
utilizing our genetics uh you know

1306
00:48:42,470 --> 00:48:40,400
correct me if i'm wrong but but i think

1307
00:48:43,349 --> 00:48:42,480
the likelihood is pretty

1308
00:48:45,829 --> 00:48:43,359
is

1309
00:48:47,829 --> 00:48:45,839
that's kind of a long shot

1310
00:48:49,990 --> 00:48:47,839
yeah but but getting back to your idea

1311
00:48:52,390 --> 00:48:50,000
of of spreading out

1312
00:48:54,549 --> 00:48:52,400
technology out into the universe and

1313
00:48:56,549 --> 00:48:54,559
having self-replicating

1314
00:48:58,790 --> 00:48:56,559
uh machines actually doing the heavy

1315
00:49:01,349 --> 00:48:58,800
lifting out there as opposed to sending

1316
00:49:03,349 --> 00:49:01,359
flesh and blood humans um out to do this

1317
00:49:04,950 --> 00:49:03,359
from these vast distances

1318
00:49:05,750 --> 00:49:04,960
how would you monitor something like

1319
00:49:08,230 --> 00:49:05,760
that

1320
00:49:10,630 --> 00:49:08,240
would you program it to be totally uh

1321
00:49:13,030 --> 00:49:10,640
autonomous or would you try to have it

1322
00:49:14,630 --> 00:49:13,040
be as interactive as possible or

1323
00:49:16,870 --> 00:49:14,640
how do you envision that

1324
00:49:18,150 --> 00:49:16,880
well it depends on whether light speed

1325
00:49:20,309 --> 00:49:18,160
is really

1326
00:49:22,069 --> 00:49:20,319
how how much that continues to be a

1327
00:49:23,670 --> 00:49:22,079
limitation you know there's so much

1328
00:49:26,630 --> 00:49:23,680
argument about whether light speed is an

1329
00:49:28,549 --> 00:49:26,640
absolute speed limit or not i think if

1330
00:49:31,109 --> 00:49:28,559
my assumption i just go ahead and assume

1331
00:49:32,630 --> 00:49:31,119
that it is going to be continued to be a

1332
00:49:34,470 --> 00:49:32,640
an absolute limitation in the universe

1333
00:49:36,710 --> 00:49:34,480
it seems it makes so much sense that it

1334
00:49:37,750 --> 00:49:36,720
is to me but that's just me

1335
00:49:39,589 --> 00:49:37,760
um

1336
00:49:40,870 --> 00:49:39,599
in that case then these probes are

1337
00:49:44,309 --> 00:49:40,880
completely autonomous they're

1338
00:49:45,670 --> 00:49:44,319
artificially intelligent uh and they you

1339
00:49:48,309 --> 00:49:45,680
know they collect

1340
00:49:50,950 --> 00:49:48,319
the data they analyze the data they

1341
00:49:51,990 --> 00:49:50,960
they're completely autonomous and they

1342
00:49:53,829 --> 00:49:52,000
you know

1343
00:49:55,510 --> 00:49:53,839
periodically send their reports back to

1344
00:49:58,630 --> 00:49:55,520
the home world or they

1345
00:50:00,790 --> 00:49:58,640
or or whatever uh you know maybe they

1346
00:50:03,750 --> 00:50:00,800
interact with each other as a vast

1347
00:50:05,670 --> 00:50:03,760
galaxy-wide neural net i don't know but

1348
00:50:07,030 --> 00:50:05,680
they're autonomous well how about

1349
00:50:09,670 --> 00:50:07,040
quantum entanglement do you think that

1350
00:50:10,829 --> 00:50:09,680
there's the possibility of of creating

1351
00:50:13,270 --> 00:50:10,839
some sort of

1352
00:50:15,109 --> 00:50:13,280
instantaneous uh sort of quantum

1353
00:50:17,589 --> 00:50:15,119
spooky action at a distance i think

1354
00:50:19,589 --> 00:50:17,599
einstein referred to it or where like

1355
00:50:22,790 --> 00:50:19,599
particles for instance uh respond

1356
00:50:24,470 --> 00:50:22,800
immediately uh instantaneously uh much

1357
00:50:26,470 --> 00:50:24,480
faster than the speed of light do you

1358
00:50:29,510 --> 00:50:26,480
think we could possibly utilize some

1359
00:50:31,829 --> 00:50:29,520
sort of quantum entangled communication

1360
00:50:33,510 --> 00:50:31,839
device or something you know i'm not a

1361
00:50:36,230 --> 00:50:33,520
quantum physicist i mean that i love

1362
00:50:38,230 --> 00:50:36,240
those ideas and yeah yeah maybe you know

1363
00:50:40,549 --> 00:50:38,240
i don't know i mean yeah that sounds

1364
00:50:43,190 --> 00:50:40,559
like a great idea and and if that's the

1365
00:50:44,710 --> 00:50:43,200
case then that makes it even more

1366
00:50:46,710 --> 00:50:44,720
interesting the way

1367
00:50:48,549 --> 00:50:46,720
uh a civilization might interact with

1368
00:50:50,150 --> 00:50:48,559
the universe via its technology its

1369
00:50:52,470 --> 00:50:50,160
technology would become essentially

1370
00:50:54,470 --> 00:50:52,480
extensions of itself it would be like

1371
00:50:57,910 --> 00:50:54,480
you know i really picture you know us

1372
00:50:59,910 --> 00:50:57,920
with our little iphone controlled drones

1373
00:51:01,829 --> 00:50:59,920
you know just you know

1374
00:51:03,829 --> 00:51:01,839
hovering over you know animals in the

1375
00:51:05,430 --> 00:51:03,839
neighbor's backyard and delivering

1376
00:51:09,109 --> 00:51:05,440
amazon products

1377
00:51:12,150 --> 00:51:09,119
it's going to change now because they'll

1378
00:51:17,870 --> 00:51:12,160
be using an apple watch instead to make

1379
00:51:21,190 --> 00:51:18,870
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1380
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1381
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1382
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1383
00:51:30,230 --> 00:51:27,359
conventional this week on the show

1384
00:51:32,309 --> 00:51:30,240
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1385
00:51:37,990 --> 00:51:32,319
come with gene and chris you're in the

1386
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1387
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welcome back to the paracast the gold

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standard of paranormal radio

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and now

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here's jane steinberg

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00:54:15,910 --> 00:54:14,790
eric margot is talking about many things

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that maybe

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don't necessarily come to the fore here

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00:54:24,950 --> 00:54:20,800
so it would be easier than

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you're suggesting eric to use machines

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for

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00:54:30,150 --> 00:54:27,599
space exploration which i guess we're

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kind of doing more of anyway we haven't

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00:54:34,549 --> 00:54:32,960
sent people to mars but we've sent

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00:54:36,390 --> 00:54:34,559
the probes out there so you're thinking

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an advanced race

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wouldn't want to get involved in the

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large resource

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00:54:46,069 --> 00:54:44,079
waste of sending intelligent beings when

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00:54:47,829 --> 00:54:46,079
they can just send computers yeah

1459
00:54:50,309 --> 00:54:47,839
absolutely as long as they don't look

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00:54:52,870 --> 00:54:50,319
like uh arnold and the terminator i i'd

1461
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be okay with that right he'll be back

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right

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yeah i do absolutely think that and

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another reason i think that is it's not

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just resources not just ways it's not

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just the ability to do it when you when

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you automate

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science

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you know and when you imagine the degree

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of of data gathering capacity imagine

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our existing robots you know our

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existing curiosity rover and then

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imagine his descendants you know in 200

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00:55:19,270 --> 00:55:17,920
years how cool they're going to be and

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what they're going to be able to achieve

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let alone a thousand years in the future

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you know they can do they'll be able to

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do

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everything and they'll it'll be

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fantastic and but there's another

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another argument for this and that is

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uh

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i think that with longevity remember

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another part of this

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sort of

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you know leap that we're talking about

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has to do with human health and human

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longevity

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whether however it happens whether it's

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with you know uploading our

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consciousness to computers which i don't

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i don't buy but you know certainly our

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bodies are going to be machine augmented

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uh

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various advances in health

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nanotechnology

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all the advanced research being done now

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this is going to greatly extend our

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lives and although i don't agree with

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kurzweil's uh singularity idea

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completely i do think he's right about

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some one a few things which is that that

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at a certain point you you sort of live

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long enough to

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bootstrap yourself to the next level of

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advancement and where we are probably on

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the threshold of basically becoming

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immortal an immortal species

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now i think that well i'm sure glad it's

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going to be coming after the lifespan of

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certain uh politicians that don't

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yeah exactly i think the longer the

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lifespan the more precious life becomes

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not less

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think about it our

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ancestors you know they did not live

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long lives i mean life life was nasty

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00:56:53,910 --> 00:56:52,720
british and short they risked their

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lives on

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the perilous sea journeys and and all

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the all the adventures and misadventures

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of our historical past

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uh but as life gets longer your life

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becomes much more precious to you you

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don't want to risk it on

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on some

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you know perilous journey across space

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uh you don't want to risk your

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your precious long life on some you know

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perilous journey across space uh to some

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you know miserable little colony on mars

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uh and also when you're like when lives

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get longer

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the family goes away really i mean

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people longer lived people have fewer

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children at least i think that's the

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sort of the tendency and i think you

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know once when we become immortal

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uh whatever that means whether you know

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00:57:46,549 --> 00:57:44,240
means really long life or literally

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00:57:48,710 --> 00:57:46,559
immortal i don't know but you know a few

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00:57:49,990 --> 00:57:48,720
centuries down the road i i you know

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00:57:51,670 --> 00:57:50,000
we're not going to be having many

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00:57:53,750 --> 00:57:51,680
children there's not going to be this

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00:57:54,870 --> 00:57:53,760
need to like spread out into the

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universe

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for well you know

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this is all i mean in theory this all

1549
00:58:01,349 --> 00:57:59,920
sounds great but one one thing that

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00:58:04,069 --> 00:58:01,359
comes up is uh

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number one this is going to obviously be

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an expensive proposition so only people

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that are well

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00:58:12,549 --> 00:58:10,640
uh that have the money to uh

1555
00:58:14,230 --> 00:58:12,559
engage in life extension they're going

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00:58:15,430 --> 00:58:14,240
to be a separate class of individual i

1557
00:58:17,030 --> 00:58:15,440
think because i don't think this is

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00:58:18,150 --> 00:58:17,040
going to be available for everybody and

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00:58:19,510 --> 00:58:18,160
if it is

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00:58:20,870 --> 00:58:19,520
it's going to create more problems with

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population

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issues on the planet the the more um

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well-heeled you are as a person

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let's say you you're a woman living on

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the upper east side of manhattan you

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have a child

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00:58:37,349 --> 00:58:34,839
if you compare that to a child born in

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00:58:40,230 --> 00:58:37,359
bangladesh it's about a thousand times

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the impact on the planet's resources on

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the environment um

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just simply because of

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you know the upscale lifestyle

1573
00:58:52,630 --> 00:58:49,680
it makes more demands upon upon our

1574
00:58:54,230 --> 00:58:52,640
resources and so i i think

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00:58:55,670 --> 00:58:54,240
with less children

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00:58:58,870 --> 00:58:55,680
at the top

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00:59:00,150 --> 00:58:58,880
that's actually going to be a good thing

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00:59:03,829 --> 00:59:00,160
for the planet because you're going to

1579
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be utilizing less and less resources

1580
00:59:08,309 --> 00:59:05,920
yeah well what you just mentioned was a

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huge i think it's a hugely important

1582
00:59:11,190 --> 00:59:09,200
issue

1583
00:59:13,030 --> 00:59:11,200
uh the the sort of

1584
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the sort of social

1585
00:59:20,069 --> 00:59:14,319
uh

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00:59:21,589 --> 00:59:20,079
in the

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that are completely sort of swept under

1588
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the rug by all the singularity people

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and you know and all that i mean how how

1590
00:59:29,910 --> 00:59:27,359
are you going to equitably distribute

1591
00:59:33,510 --> 00:59:29,920
things like immortality and you're not

1592
00:59:34,549 --> 00:59:33,520
in no way but but but even if you have a

1593
00:59:36,950 --> 00:59:34,559
vast

1594
00:59:38,870 --> 00:59:36,960
underclass of people who are living life

1595
00:59:39,829 --> 00:59:38,880
basically the way we're living now

1596
00:59:41,349 --> 00:59:39,839
and having

1597
00:59:43,030 --> 00:59:41,359
families and stuff like that you know

1598
00:59:44,150 --> 00:59:43,040
you're not going to be

1599
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you know putting the money into

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00:59:48,150 --> 00:59:46,000
schlepping them off the planet you know

1601
00:59:51,030 --> 00:59:48,160
moving them to some you know colony i

1602
00:59:51,910 --> 00:59:51,040
mean that the the the expenditure

1603
00:59:58,630 --> 00:59:51,920
in

1604
01:00:00,549 --> 00:59:58,640
so i don't

1605
01:00:02,470 --> 01:00:00,559
you know that that wealth

1606
01:00:04,950 --> 01:00:02,480
uh problem is going to keep them on on

1607
01:00:06,870 --> 01:00:04,960
the earth one way or another and yeah if

1608
01:00:08,230 --> 01:00:06,880
the if they're very rich and

1609
01:00:10,230 --> 01:00:08,240
unfortunately i kind of agree with you

1610
01:00:12,150 --> 01:00:10,240
i'm worried that it's the very rich who

1611
01:00:14,470 --> 01:00:12,160
are really going to reap the benefits

1612
01:00:16,630 --> 01:00:14,480
uh coming in the next few centuries and

1613
01:00:19,030 --> 01:00:16,640
you know okay they may move somewhere

1614
01:00:21,270 --> 01:00:19,040
else or whatever but uh

1615
01:00:22,710 --> 01:00:21,280
again it just goes back to the basic

1616
01:00:24,230 --> 01:00:22,720
assumption i'm making which is that

1617
01:00:26,549 --> 01:00:24,240
we're not going to be

1618
01:00:28,870 --> 01:00:26,559
colonizing the universe we're not

1619
01:00:30,710 --> 01:00:28,880
spreading

1620
01:00:33,430 --> 01:00:30,720
that movie that was out last year with

1621
01:00:34,630 --> 01:00:33,440
matt damon and jody foster i i thought

1622
01:00:36,789 --> 01:00:34,640
even though it was a little bit

1623
01:00:38,870 --> 01:00:36,799
far-fetched i thought the whole idea the

1624
01:00:41,109 --> 01:00:38,880
concept of the movie of the separation

1625
01:00:43,430 --> 01:00:41,119
of classes

1626
01:00:44,870 --> 01:00:43,440
really had some relevance uh in terms of

1627
01:00:46,789 --> 01:00:44,880
looking forward

1628
01:00:48,630 --> 01:00:46,799
uh

1629
01:00:50,710 --> 01:00:48,640
there seems to be trends going on now

1630
01:00:52,230 --> 01:00:50,720
and at least in the western world where

1631
01:00:55,670 --> 01:00:52,240
where you do have that eggshell one

1632
01:00:57,910 --> 01:00:55,680
percent class that uh is going to be

1633
01:00:59,750 --> 01:00:57,920
you know obviously um

1634
01:01:01,589 --> 01:00:59,760
the first ones to utilize any sort of

1635
01:01:03,190 --> 01:01:01,599
exalted life extension technology let's

1636
01:01:05,030 --> 01:01:03,200
say i mean look at dick cheney i mean

1637
01:01:07,910 --> 01:01:05,040
the guy for someone that never had a

1638
01:01:09,750 --> 01:01:07,920
heart to finally get one in the 70s

1639
01:01:11,190 --> 01:01:09,760
uh and now he's gonna be around even

1640
01:01:13,430 --> 01:01:11,200
that much longer i mean that that's

1641
01:01:15,109 --> 01:01:13,440
frightening to me yeah

1642
01:01:15,910 --> 01:01:15,119
well you know this gets to a whole thing

1643
01:01:19,030 --> 01:01:15,920
here

1644
01:01:20,870 --> 01:01:19,040
that future humans will be immortal

1645
01:01:22,950 --> 01:01:20,880
machines

1646
01:01:26,950 --> 01:01:22,960
is that where it's taking us

1647
01:01:30,150 --> 01:01:26,960
i i think future humans are going to be

1648
01:01:32,789 --> 01:01:30,160
immortal cyborgs i mean i think

1649
01:01:34,309 --> 01:01:32,799
you're not going to get rid of

1650
01:01:35,829 --> 01:01:34,319
the

1651
01:01:40,150 --> 01:01:35,839
organic

1652
01:01:42,870 --> 01:01:40,160
it i really think

1653
01:01:44,150 --> 01:01:42,880
that and even a lot of people in ai now

1654
01:01:46,870 --> 01:01:44,160
think that you know the future of

1655
01:01:48,950 --> 01:01:46,880
computing is is biological right you

1656
01:01:50,950 --> 01:01:48,960
know so you talk about like from star

1657
01:01:52,309 --> 01:01:50,960
star trek like the borg something that's

1658
01:01:53,750 --> 01:01:52,319
happening you know something but

1659
01:01:55,349 --> 01:01:53,760
something more glamorous than that i

1660
01:01:58,470 --> 01:01:55,359
don't think it's gonna be you know

1661
01:01:59,670 --> 01:01:58,480
they're pretty ugly uh miserable beings

1662
01:02:01,190 --> 01:01:59,680
i i think it's

1663
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uh you know

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i don't know i think that

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that

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going to look like i mean it could be

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very nano technic

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you know nanotech uh type stuff that so

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so what little little nanotech uh

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like doctors running around repairing

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organs and tearing organs and making us

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you know eternally graceful and

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beautiful and immune to all diseases and

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whatnot my vision of the future honestly

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is is the elven races in tolkien's books

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i think that that's right i think we

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should be reading tolkien as science

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fiction not as not as fantasy because i

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think that's the most realistic honestly

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01:02:44,150 --> 01:02:41,040
model for a far future

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civilization is is beings you know

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living

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long

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lives in you know very protected

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uh comfortable enclaves and sort of

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letting all the mortal uh

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dispens the spendable mortal races sort

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of do all the the dirty work yeah the

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heavy lifting on adventures and fighting

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and

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whatnot in our case it may be just our

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machines doing that but i don't

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think if they look like evangeline lily

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a live tyler boy

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no complaints baby

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well okay but let's look at this in more

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detail here

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so we are cyborgs or at least the

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privileged few or cyborgs and there

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would be no desire of these cyborgs to

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say you know i'd love to go to another

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star system

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let's see if we can invent warp drive a

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lot of questions to come

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with our guest this week eric wargo and

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we'll get more deep and dirty into

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realities and we haven't scratched the

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surface with gina and with chris you're

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now there is the coming of the

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okay so

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we are cyborgs okay

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living tissue with enhancements to keep

1810
01:08:22,309 --> 01:08:20,960
us alive forever so eric wargo why

1811
01:08:23,430 --> 01:08:22,319
wouldn't they want to travel to the

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01:08:25,269 --> 01:08:23,440
stars

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01:08:27,510 --> 01:08:25,279
because it would be boring i mean

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amazing for you to say

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01:08:32,789 --> 01:08:29,920
i mean he's sitting in the same freaking

1816
01:08:34,390 --> 01:08:32,799
little ship or big ship or whatever and

1817
01:08:37,590 --> 01:08:34,400
i mean just look at uh

1818
01:08:40,390 --> 01:08:37,600
you know poor dave bowman in 2001 or i

1819
01:08:42,870 --> 01:08:40,400
mean or what was that um what was that

1820
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great um movie with bruce dern he's the

1821
01:08:48,709 --> 01:08:45,920
gardener silent running silent running

1822
01:08:50,709 --> 01:08:48,719
yeah i mean i would get sick of watching

1823
01:08:51,990 --> 01:08:50,719
the same movies playing the same people

1824
01:08:53,749 --> 01:08:52,000
in chess

1825
01:08:54,789 --> 01:08:53,759
reading the same books

1826
01:08:57,430 --> 01:08:54,799
it would just

1827
01:08:59,030 --> 01:08:57,440
oh i i would go nuts you don't believe

1828
01:09:01,510 --> 01:08:59,040
therefore in

1829
01:09:04,149 --> 01:09:01,520
a city in space but then

1830
01:09:06,229 --> 01:09:04,159
what if we find a way to

1831
01:09:07,910 --> 01:09:06,239
perfect a warp drive so we can get to

1832
01:09:10,229 --> 01:09:07,920
another star system

1833
01:09:12,149 --> 01:09:10,239
in a few days rather than

1834
01:09:13,590 --> 01:09:12,159
25 years or something wouldn't it still

1835
01:09:14,950 --> 01:09:13,600
make sense

1836
01:09:16,709 --> 01:09:14,960
yeah that that would be different of

1837
01:09:17,910 --> 01:09:16,719
course but but you know again we're

1838
01:09:18,789 --> 01:09:17,920
talking about

1839
01:09:21,269 --> 01:09:18,799
what did

1840
01:09:23,749 --> 01:09:21,279
michio kaku say i think a class

1841
01:09:25,829 --> 01:09:23,759
a class three uh civilization that would

1842
01:09:28,070 --> 01:09:25,839
be able to to harness the energy of

1843
01:09:30,550 --> 01:09:28,080
complete stars in order to fold space

1844
01:09:32,789 --> 01:09:30,560
and come up with the immense amounts of

1845
01:09:35,269 --> 01:09:32,799
energy it would take to uh you know to

1846
01:09:38,309 --> 01:09:35,279
fold space uh to you know to create that

1847
01:09:39,990 --> 01:09:38,319
kind of jump off point uh i mean the the

1848
01:09:42,229 --> 01:09:40,000
technological uh

1849
01:09:44,870 --> 01:09:42,239
hurdles and the development curve on

1850
01:09:46,229 --> 01:09:44,880
that is is really immense obviously

1851
01:09:47,590 --> 01:09:46,239
we've come a long way just in the last

1852
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60 years but

1853
01:09:52,550 --> 01:09:49,679
you know now you're dealing with uh with

1854
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tremendous amounts of expenditures to do

1855
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this and we're having a hard enough time

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just you know just paying uh

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social security i mean trying to keep uh

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you know people healthy and

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keep just basic uh human

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services going here on this planet uh

1861
01:10:10,070 --> 01:10:07,840
the amount of money it would take to

1862
01:10:13,110 --> 01:10:10,080
you know we'd have to totally revamp

1863
01:10:14,149 --> 01:10:13,120
evaluation how how work is valued you

1864
01:10:16,709 --> 01:10:14,159
know how

1865
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things are funded i think we're headed

1866
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towards uh some real

1867
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changes i think uh in in mindset and in

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worth i mean we're still dealing with

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primitive thousands and thousands year

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old

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uh outmoded

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ideas of of worth and

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wealth and

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what those things constitute we've got

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to have a complete sea change when it

1876
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comes to thinking about these things

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what do you think eric i mean uh

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don't you think that much of our

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cultures

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religions organized religions uh ideas

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01:10:47,830 --> 01:10:46,400
of money and and these things you do

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feel that to a little bit outmoded and

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01:10:51,270 --> 01:10:49,760
we need need to maybe

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kind of redefine all these things in a

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different way or

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01:10:56,149 --> 01:10:54,080
well obviously i think everything needs

1887
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to be redefined yeah i mean absolutely

1888
01:10:59,750 --> 01:10:57,760
you're absolutely right you're

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01:11:01,830 --> 01:10:59,760
absolutely right um i think what i'm

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presuming my model

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is

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you know i'm i'm i'm assuming that all

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the advancements i'm talking about and

1894
01:11:15,270 --> 01:11:12,960
i'm not sure the time frame you know i'm

1895
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saying well it could happen next century

1896
01:11:18,470 --> 01:11:16,800
or two centuries whatever it doesn't

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01:11:20,550 --> 01:11:18,480
really matter you know some window of

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01:11:23,590 --> 01:11:20,560
time in the next millennium you know

1899
01:11:25,189 --> 01:11:23,600
we're going to be at a point hopefully

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where there's a kind of post-scarcity

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situation and that's gonna

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01:11:31,590 --> 01:11:29,120
that's gonna redefine all these things

1903
01:11:34,550 --> 01:11:31,600
uh that you're talking about and

1904
01:11:36,070 --> 01:11:34,560
but among these developments and gene

1905
01:11:37,910 --> 01:11:36,080
you're asking about well why wouldn't we

1906
01:11:40,470 --> 01:11:37,920
want to go out into space well another

1907
01:11:42,550 --> 01:11:40,480
reason besides the boredom prospect

1908
01:11:43,990 --> 01:11:42,560
even if we develop a warp drive we're

1909
01:11:47,189 --> 01:11:44,000
not going to be

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going places i mean that we already we

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are inhabiting the world virtually and

1912
01:11:52,870 --> 01:11:51,840
that's going to just be increasingly

1913
01:11:53,669 --> 01:11:52,880
true

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01:11:55,350 --> 01:11:53,679
and

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01:11:57,750 --> 01:11:55,360
these drones i'm talking about they're

1916
01:12:00,630 --> 01:11:57,760
going to be literally our eyes and ears

1917
01:12:02,310 --> 01:12:00,640
and our hands and feet we're going to be

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01:12:03,910 --> 01:12:02,320
you know interacting with the world

1919
01:12:05,590 --> 01:12:03,920
remotely now we're talking about the

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01:12:06,310 --> 01:12:05,600
distributed self

1921
01:12:08,070 --> 01:12:06,320
some

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01:12:09,270 --> 01:12:08,080
philosophers who like to talk about

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technology you know talk about the

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distributed self or

1925
01:12:13,750 --> 01:12:12,239
you know we're going to become these

1926
01:12:15,750 --> 01:12:13,760
kind of distributed creatures you know

1927
01:12:17,669 --> 01:12:15,760
the so the whole the notion of what our

1928
01:12:19,189 --> 01:12:17,679
body does what our body it doesn't

1929
01:12:20,870 --> 01:12:19,199
really matter i don't need to go to mars

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01:12:23,830 --> 01:12:20,880
if i can go to mars

1931
01:12:26,550 --> 01:12:23,840
completely through my neural implants

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01:12:29,430 --> 01:12:26,560
and inhabit an artificial

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form on mars and walk around on mars and

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do all the things i would

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want to do on mars and like total recall

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right yeah or an avatar or whatever you

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01:12:41,030 --> 01:12:39,199
want to call it now i remember a science

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fiction novel i read once which

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certainly illustrated this concept and i

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01:12:47,350 --> 01:12:45,520
can't remember the author where when

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someone travels through space they

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01:12:50,630 --> 01:12:48,480
download

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their consciousness to this

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machine

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01:12:55,030 --> 01:12:53,280
it takes the trip but they of course

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experience the entire trip

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yeah i think you know i know i think i

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01:12:59,030 --> 01:12:57,679
know the novel you're talking about i'm

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01:13:00,950 --> 01:12:59,040
trying to think of

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01:13:01,750 --> 01:13:00,960
the title but yeah anyway yeah right

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sure

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i'm just looking at my bookcase right

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now because i know

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01:13:08,550 --> 01:13:07,679
okay but the point being here is even

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then

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if

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what goes to another planet is

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01:13:17,270 --> 01:13:14,880
our avatar we're using virtual reality

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01:13:19,110 --> 01:13:17,280
we still experience it as a reality but

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01:13:21,750 --> 01:13:19,120
at the other end does that mean that the

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01:13:23,910 --> 01:13:21,760
so-called ufo naughts that we see when

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01:13:25,990 --> 01:13:23,920
we see them are they real creatures

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01:13:27,030 --> 01:13:26,000
being cyborgs

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or

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know i can't answer that i mean could

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they could be holograms they could be

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01:13:38,950 --> 01:13:36,640
they could sure they could be artificial

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01:13:40,950 --> 01:13:38,960
avatars that were 3d printed and you

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01:13:41,830 --> 01:13:40,960
know either autonomous

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01:13:43,430 --> 01:13:41,840
you know

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artificially intelligent or being

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puppeteered by some distant intelligence

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01:13:50,149 --> 01:13:47,679
you know who knows i mean this is this

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all there you start getting into

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there's no way to say because we don't

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again it depends partly on whether the

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speed of light is is going to be in a

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fixed speed limit or not you know

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because if it is then it's they've got

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to be remote

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artificially intelligent

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01:14:06,070 --> 01:14:04,239
yeah or at all computer simulation it

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could be some personal information 14

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year old

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you know good character generation who

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knows yeah i was thinking about this we

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had this message

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in our forum suggesting that when we see

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things

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making incredible maneuvers in our skies

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ufos they are really cursors from

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somebody's personal computer

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01:14:28,790 --> 01:14:26,640
dancing around i love that idea i mean i

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love matt tony's years ago you know

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01:14:32,470 --> 01:14:30,320
wrote that they that they were laser

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pointers and it's like god that that was

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that's just a

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brilliant i think analogy you know

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they're this it's projected from

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somewhere well you know getting into the

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whole idea of

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you know the holographic universe one of

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my favorite books of all time in the

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science realm is michael talbott's the

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holographic uh universe

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i just highly recommend that book i mean

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i think as we progress in our

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understanding of reality and you know in

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my limited sort of non-scientist uh

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scientific sort of brain

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uh my primitive brain here i it's just

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even the little bit that i know is very

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exciting when you start talking about

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implicit order and the possibility that

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within the each component of the whole

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there is there is that image of the

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whole like like breaking a hologram and

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having the entire image in the pieces uh

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degraded you know images um not quite

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the resolution of the entire uh image

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but still it's contained in there and

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that whole idea has always fascinated me

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where do you come down on this whole

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idea that we're living in some sort of

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holographic

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projection possibly or some sort of

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i don't know there's some sort of

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implicat order that's inherent in the

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entire in the entire shooting match here

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uh have you done much uh work in that

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realm in terms of your thinking

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i you know i've thought about it like we

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all have and these ideas sound great

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and i don't

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you know sure yeah why not i just i

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don't know how to evaluate them i mean i

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don't have you know i don't i don't have

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a background in physics i mean i love

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the ideas i love these um

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these ideas as thought experiments and

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whatnot but i just i have not

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seen evidence that anyone really

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has figured out the basic structure of

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reality and

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uh

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and it seems like it would be nice to

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figure out what consciousness is first

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right well right of course this is a

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whole

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figuring out uh what we mean by

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consciousness well we have to stay

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[Music]

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hello this is john burroughs one of the

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witnesses to the rendelsome ufo incident

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you're listening to the paracast the

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oh consciousness what a concept we can

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even talk about that we have eric wargo

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taking us on

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a trip where no one has gone before

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well maybe some people we don't know but

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you know we get into so many different

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aspects of what we interpret as reality

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so now we're speculating on physical

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phenomena that if ufos are not creatures

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they're cyborgs they're

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holograms avatars whatever

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but what about our entire concept of

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reality

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and that is

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something which

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i just said crazily the other day

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that as we learn new things about our

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universe the reality comports itself

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to fit into that image

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that is a fascinating idea and i'm yeah

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i read something this was a few months

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ago and i i kind of wrote about it on my

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blog too and it was sort of a new

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interpretation of quantum

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you know physics which of course is the

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idea that you know we affect what we

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observe and thus the observer has an

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impact on on the observed phenomenon

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well i was saying that well by extension

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we are responsible for creating the

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universe it's our observation that has

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sort of expanded the universe and

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and given rise to the the detail of

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things essentially and i just i think

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this is a that's a fascinating idea um

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what do you do with it i i don't know

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how does this explain

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you know these phenomena that we're

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interested in and we're talking about

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today i don't know i don't know um but

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yeah it's a it's a great idea it's a

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fascinating idea i think there's got to

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be something to it

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whether it's there's something to it on

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more than just the subatomic level

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or

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we're actually affecting our material

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01:23:00,390 --> 01:22:58,159
macro scale reality

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01:23:02,629 --> 01:23:00,400
as we you know sit in our

2207
01:23:05,270 --> 01:23:02,639
rooms and observe i don't know

2208
01:23:07,189 --> 01:23:05,280
it certainly goes to questions of esp

2209
01:23:08,709 --> 01:23:07,199
and psychokinesis

2210
01:23:09,910 --> 01:23:08,719
and whatnot i mean

2211
01:23:11,430 --> 01:23:09,920
there's a lot of

2212
01:23:13,590 --> 01:23:11,440
laboratory evidence that we can affect

2213
01:23:14,790 --> 01:23:13,600
our reality by thinking about it in

2214
01:23:16,870 --> 01:23:14,800
certain ways

2215
01:23:18,550 --> 01:23:16,880
uh so

2216
01:23:21,110 --> 01:23:18,560
yeah i mean this may be a mechanism

2217
01:23:23,270 --> 01:23:21,120
maybe this may be how that works

2218
01:23:25,270 --> 01:23:23,280
that gets into the subject of this

2219
01:23:27,030 --> 01:23:25,280
wonderful blog posting that you have

2220
01:23:27,910 --> 01:23:27,040
called coincidence chaos and archetypes

2221
01:23:30,149 --> 01:23:27,920
in our

2222
01:23:32,310 --> 01:23:30,159
science fictional world

2223
01:23:33,750 --> 01:23:32,320
this is a good i think a good point to

2224
01:23:35,189 --> 01:23:33,760
really start discussing some of these

2225
01:23:37,030 --> 01:23:35,199
concepts

2226
01:23:38,950 --> 01:23:37,040
for instance i think i pointed out in my

2227
01:23:41,910 --> 01:23:38,960
email to you that

2228
01:23:43,910 --> 01:23:41,920
dean raiden for instance uh who is i

2229
01:23:45,830 --> 01:23:43,920
think a real unsung hero in

2230
01:23:47,750 --> 01:23:45,840
parapsychology

2231
01:23:48,870 --> 01:23:47,760
has demonstrated some amazing things

2232
01:23:50,550 --> 01:23:48,880
that

2233
01:23:51,350 --> 01:23:50,560
the mainstream scientific community

2234
01:23:53,750 --> 01:23:51,360
still

2235
01:23:55,750 --> 01:23:53,760
is unwilling and uh

2236
01:23:56,629 --> 01:23:55,760
has blinders on is unwilling to admit

2237
01:23:58,709 --> 01:23:56,639
that

2238
01:24:01,030 --> 01:23:58,719
there are certain um

2239
01:24:03,590 --> 01:24:01,040
absolutely mind-blowing things about

2240
01:24:05,830 --> 01:24:03,600
human reality that just don't conform to

2241
01:24:07,830 --> 01:24:05,840
to your basic conventional conservative

2242
01:24:10,550 --> 01:24:07,840
scientific view for instance

2243
01:24:11,990 --> 01:24:10,560
his whole idea of the the body

2244
01:24:13,990 --> 01:24:12,000
um actually

2245
01:24:17,350 --> 01:24:14,000
and this has been proven in the lab the

2246
01:24:19,590 --> 01:24:17,360
body responds to events

2247
01:24:21,750 --> 01:24:19,600
before they actually happen and and this

2248
01:24:23,669 --> 01:24:21,760
is a mind-blowing if if

2249
01:24:24,550 --> 01:24:23,679
you really think about the implications

2250
01:24:26,390 --> 01:24:24,560
of that

2251
01:24:27,910 --> 01:24:26,400
it really kind of throws your whole idea

2252
01:24:30,550 --> 01:24:27,920
of causality

2253
01:24:32,950 --> 01:24:30,560
and the whole idea of linear time

2254
01:24:35,030 --> 01:24:32,960
almost goes out the window because how

2255
01:24:37,189 --> 01:24:35,040
can the human body

2256
01:24:39,350 --> 01:24:37,199
react to something that in linear time

2257
01:24:41,510 --> 01:24:39,360
has yet to have occurred

2258
01:24:44,390 --> 01:24:41,520
and the implications of that are quite

2259
01:24:46,629 --> 01:24:44,400
profound and you point out in your

2260
01:24:49,270 --> 01:24:46,639
uh wonderful article here

2261
01:24:50,790 --> 01:24:49,280
uh several uh

2262
01:24:53,430 --> 01:24:50,800
several really interesting ideas that

2263
01:24:54,870 --> 01:24:53,440
that really call into question uh some

2264
01:24:56,470 --> 01:24:54,880
of the the real

2265
01:24:58,709 --> 01:24:56,480
cornerstones of

2266
01:24:59,510 --> 01:24:58,719
of thinking about how our reality is set

2267
01:25:01,990 --> 01:24:59,520
up

2268
01:25:03,830 --> 01:25:02,000
and um i love the part uh jung and plato

2269
01:25:06,310 --> 01:25:03,840
must die

2270
01:25:08,229 --> 01:25:06,320
that psy may live well they already did

2271
01:25:11,270 --> 01:25:08,239
so there you go

2272
01:25:14,149 --> 01:25:11,280
well you can play those concepts

2273
01:25:17,030 --> 01:25:14,159
as cornerstones of our of our thinking

2274
01:25:18,709 --> 01:25:17,040
why don't you go through uh and give

2275
01:25:21,590 --> 01:25:18,719
the folks that haven't had a chance to

2276
01:25:24,390 --> 01:25:21,600
read your blog post give us a thumbnail

2277
01:25:26,790 --> 01:25:24,400
um sketch of some of your ideas here

2278
01:25:29,189 --> 01:25:26,800
about synchronicity and and other things

2279
01:25:31,510 --> 01:25:29,199
and and uh catch some of our listeners

2280
01:25:33,750 --> 01:25:31,520
up to speed here okay i'll try yeah i

2281
01:25:35,590 --> 01:25:33,760
well i totally agree with you the i

2282
01:25:39,270 --> 01:25:35,600
think the findings

2283
01:25:41,270 --> 01:25:39,280
of dean raiden and a few other people

2284
01:25:44,790 --> 01:25:41,280
but i think he's kind of the main

2285
01:25:48,470 --> 01:25:44,800
guy who's done this amazing research

2286
01:25:50,790 --> 01:25:48,480
showing that future events can cause you

2287
01:25:53,590 --> 01:25:50,800
know events can cause physiological

2288
01:25:55,750 --> 01:25:53,600
reactions in the past okay that alone is

2289
01:25:57,510 --> 01:25:55,760
mind-blowing beyond that you know

2290
01:25:59,270 --> 01:25:57,520
there's so much

2291
01:26:01,270 --> 01:25:59,280
since the first days of psychical

2292
01:26:02,870 --> 01:26:01,280
research

2293
01:26:04,709 --> 01:26:02,880
there's been a lot of stuff on different

2294
01:26:07,030 --> 01:26:04,719
forms of precognition

2295
01:26:09,270 --> 01:26:07,040
uh knowing the future pre-cognitive

2296
01:26:11,669 --> 01:26:09,280
dreaming this is a big thing for me i'm

2297
01:26:12,550 --> 01:26:11,679
really into precognitive dreams

2298
01:26:15,669 --> 01:26:12,560
and

2299
01:26:17,669 --> 01:26:15,679
honestly of all the different fields of

2300
01:26:19,430 --> 01:26:17,679
of sci research

2301
01:26:21,590 --> 01:26:19,440
this is the most compelling to me even

2302
01:26:22,950 --> 01:26:21,600
though it seems like the most impossible

2303
01:26:25,430 --> 01:26:22,960
and i think that

2304
01:26:26,790 --> 01:26:25,440
a lot of people argue that even

2305
01:26:28,950 --> 01:26:26,800
you know things like clairvoyance and

2306
01:26:31,990 --> 01:26:28,960
remote viewing and whatnot these are

2307
01:26:34,310 --> 01:26:32,000
actually manifestations of precognition

2308
01:26:36,709 --> 01:26:34,320
that you're not like seeing an event at

2309
01:26:37,750 --> 01:26:36,719
a distance you're somehow picking up on

2310
01:26:39,910 --> 01:26:37,760
your own

2311
01:26:40,629 --> 01:26:39,920
learning of that event in the future in

2312
01:26:49,590 --> 01:26:40,639
a

2313
01:26:50,550 --> 01:26:49,600
confusing

2314
01:26:54,790 --> 01:26:50,560
so

2315
01:26:57,030 --> 01:26:54,800
a year from now

2316
01:26:58,790 --> 01:26:57,040
but because of the way time works you've

2317
01:27:00,870 --> 01:26:58,800
already experienced that you already

2318
01:27:02,390 --> 01:27:00,880
know about it it's just tapping into

2319
01:27:03,750 --> 01:27:02,400
that information

2320
01:27:06,070 --> 01:27:03,760
no well what i'm talking about right

2321
01:27:07,910 --> 01:27:06,080
just right now is is the idea of seeing

2322
01:27:09,910 --> 01:27:07,920
an event at a distance not not in the

2323
01:27:11,590 --> 01:27:09,920
future necessarily i'm saying that maybe

2324
01:27:13,669 --> 01:27:11,600
what's happening in remote viewing for

2325
01:27:15,669 --> 01:27:13,679
instance is instead of you're like

2326
01:27:17,590 --> 01:27:15,679
you're looking into across space you're

2327
01:27:20,229 --> 01:27:17,600
not looking across space and seeing

2328
01:27:22,229 --> 01:27:20,239
something happening across the planet

2329
01:27:23,110 --> 01:27:22,239
instead you are actually

2330
01:27:28,709 --> 01:27:23,120
seeing

2331
01:27:31,189 --> 01:27:28,719
confirmation of what you were trying to

2332
01:27:33,590 --> 01:27:31,199
look at so maybe you see it on tv 10

2333
01:27:35,110 --> 01:27:33,600
years from now or in your online

2334
01:27:37,189 --> 01:27:35,120
publication i don't know if there'll be

2335
01:27:38,790 --> 01:27:37,199
newspapers then but you read about it

2336
01:27:41,270 --> 01:27:38,800
you read about an event

2337
01:27:42,310 --> 01:27:41,280
and then 10 years back

2338
01:27:45,270 --> 01:27:42,320
you

2339
01:27:47,830 --> 01:27:45,280
tap into that memory yes exactly

2340
01:27:50,950 --> 01:27:47,840
and this is and this is honestly

2341
01:27:52,550 --> 01:27:50,960
i i am incredibly convinced of this not

2342
01:27:55,030 --> 01:27:52,560
only from the

2343
01:27:58,390 --> 01:27:55,040
the all the literature i've read on it

2344
01:28:01,030 --> 01:27:58,400
but in my own life i have i've always

2345
01:28:02,310 --> 01:28:01,040
been really interested in my own dreams

2346
01:28:04,149 --> 01:28:02,320
and i've just always been very

2347
01:28:07,189 --> 01:28:04,159
interested in the psychology of dreaming

2348
01:28:08,310 --> 01:28:07,199
uh and so i record my dreams and

2349
01:28:10,629 --> 01:28:08,320
uh

2350
01:28:12,790 --> 01:28:10,639
and when i read finally and i've always

2351
01:28:14,709 --> 01:28:12,800
interpreted dreaming as

2352
01:28:16,149 --> 01:28:14,719
sort of the encoding of memory past

2353
01:28:18,070 --> 01:28:16,159
memories people

2354
01:28:20,229 --> 01:28:18,080
psychologists tend to assume that the

2355
01:28:23,430 --> 01:28:20,239
dreaming is somehow connected to memory

2356
01:28:25,990 --> 01:28:23,440
uh i think that it's the actual

2357
01:28:28,870 --> 01:28:26,000
transforming of your recent memories

2358
01:28:30,870 --> 01:28:28,880
into long-term memory uh

2359
01:28:33,590 --> 01:28:30,880
by a process of sort of

2360
01:28:35,830 --> 01:28:33,600
of taking and symbolizing recent events

2361
01:28:37,830 --> 01:28:35,840
and linking them to past to your

2362
01:28:40,629 --> 01:28:37,840
long-term memories so you can create

2363
01:28:42,870 --> 01:28:40,639
associations uh in your brain but when

2364
01:28:44,790 --> 01:28:42,880
you but i've never looked at my dreams

2365
01:28:46,950 --> 01:28:44,800
in terms of what was happening

2366
01:28:48,470 --> 01:28:46,960
in the next few days as opposed to in

2367
01:28:51,270 --> 01:28:48,480
the previous few days

2368
01:28:54,070 --> 01:28:51,280
but when i started doing this

2369
01:28:56,950 --> 01:28:54,080
uh i was frankly stunned and i continue

2370
01:28:58,950 --> 01:28:56,960
to be stunned and i really highly

2371
01:28:59,990 --> 01:28:58,960
recommend anyone who is at all

2372
01:29:01,910 --> 01:29:00,000
interested

2373
01:29:03,590 --> 01:29:01,920
in this subject to

2374
01:29:05,430 --> 01:29:03,600
get a hold of a great book that was

2375
01:29:07,430 --> 01:29:05,440
written in 1927 it's called an

2376
01:29:10,950 --> 01:29:07,440
experiment with time

2377
01:29:13,270 --> 01:29:10,960
by a guy named jw dunn this is sort of a

2378
01:29:14,149 --> 01:29:13,280
classic text in

2379
01:29:16,550 --> 01:29:14,159
in

2380
01:29:19,510 --> 01:29:16,560
psy research but he wasn't a scientist i

2381
01:29:21,910 --> 01:29:19,520
don't i forget what he was but uh anyway

2382
01:29:23,350 --> 01:29:21,920
he just started noticing that that

2383
01:29:24,870 --> 01:29:23,360
you know if he actually paid attention

2384
01:29:27,110 --> 01:29:24,880
to his dreams and to events that

2385
01:29:28,870 --> 01:29:27,120
happened subsequently uh you can detect

2386
01:29:31,430 --> 01:29:28,880
a certain amount of precognitive

2387
01:29:34,310 --> 01:29:31,440
material that's pretty unmistakable

2388
01:29:35,189 --> 01:29:34,320
and you know he is absolutely absolutely

2389
01:29:37,510 --> 01:29:35,199
right

2390
01:29:39,350 --> 01:29:37,520
and if you actually and he wasn't even

2391
01:29:41,189 --> 01:29:39,360
coming at it from like a psychoanalytic

2392
01:29:42,709 --> 01:29:41,199
point of view like or a freudian point

2393
01:29:43,990 --> 01:29:42,719
of view so he wasn't even looking at the

2394
01:29:46,149 --> 01:29:44,000
symbolism

2395
01:29:47,830 --> 01:29:46,159
of his dreams but when you actually pay

2396
01:29:50,070 --> 01:29:47,840
attention to the

2397
01:29:52,310 --> 01:29:50,080
symbolic distortions in your dreams and

2398
01:29:54,310 --> 01:29:52,320
the way dreams sort of take something

2399
01:29:56,470 --> 01:29:54,320
that happened to you and turn it into

2400
01:29:59,030 --> 01:29:56,480
this bizarre scenario

2401
01:30:01,910 --> 01:29:59,040
even more precognitive material

2402
01:30:04,149 --> 01:30:01,920
uh emerges and sometimes it's it's it's

2403
01:30:05,830 --> 01:30:04,159
frankly stunning

2404
01:30:07,030 --> 01:30:05,840
now that said it's also completely

2405
01:30:08,870 --> 01:30:07,040
useless

2406
01:30:11,030 --> 01:30:08,880
it's nothing you don't realize that it

2407
01:30:13,189 --> 01:30:11,040
was precognitive until after the event

2408
01:30:14,870 --> 01:30:13,199
happens it's not anything like you dream

2409
01:30:16,229 --> 01:30:14,880
have this weird dream this like well i

2410
01:30:17,669 --> 01:30:16,239
was like okay that was just bizarre i

2411
01:30:19,510 --> 01:30:17,679
have no idea what it refers to and then

2412
01:30:21,510 --> 01:30:19,520
something happens that day that is like

2413
01:30:22,629 --> 01:30:21,520
oh my god i mean this i

2414
01:30:24,870 --> 01:30:22,639
that's

2415
01:30:26,629 --> 01:30:24,880
what that dream was about let's dream

2416
01:30:28,870 --> 01:30:26,639
about this folks and then we'll get back

2417
01:30:32,470 --> 01:30:28,880
to more of this discussion with gene and

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01:30:37,750 --> 01:30:32,480
chris and eric argo you're in the bear

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2484
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2485
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2489
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2491
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2492
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2523
01:35:13,830 --> 01:35:11,760
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2524
01:35:16,870 --> 01:35:13,840
anthropologist with us and we're

2525
01:35:17,830 --> 01:35:16,880
exploring precognition so

2526
01:35:20,870 --> 01:35:17,840
we

2527
01:35:22,550 --> 01:35:20,880
remember or tap into something

2528
01:35:25,350 --> 01:35:22,560
that's going to happen

2529
01:35:26,470 --> 01:35:25,360
i guess to us or we'll be aware of in

2530
01:35:28,390 --> 01:35:26,480
the future

2531
01:35:30,709 --> 01:35:28,400
but we can't we can't refine that we

2532
01:35:32,870 --> 01:35:30,719
have no control over that do we

2533
01:35:35,189 --> 01:35:32,880
well some people probably do i mean i

2534
01:35:37,590 --> 01:35:35,199
think that it probably depends on your

2535
01:35:39,189 --> 01:35:37,600
innate psy abilities

2536
01:35:41,590 --> 01:35:39,199
maybe it's something that can be trained

2537
01:35:42,629 --> 01:35:41,600
i mean this is a this is a debate

2538
01:35:45,590 --> 01:35:42,639
um

2539
01:35:48,070 --> 01:35:45,600
you know uh some you know certainly some

2540
01:35:49,030 --> 01:35:48,080
people are able seem to be able to make

2541
01:35:51,270 --> 01:35:49,040
psy

2542
01:35:52,310 --> 01:35:51,280
uh and precognition work for them

2543
01:35:53,750 --> 01:35:52,320
but

2544
01:35:56,470 --> 01:35:53,760
you know i i don't think that's gonna

2545
01:35:58,390 --> 01:35:56,480
happen in my life i i'm not a prophet

2546
01:36:00,070 --> 01:35:58,400
and i'm not you know i don't have

2547
01:36:01,830 --> 01:36:00,080
amazing sign abilities in fact a lot of

2548
01:36:03,350 --> 01:36:01,840
this a lot of my own sort of personal

2549
01:36:05,510 --> 01:36:03,360
discovery of how this works came out of

2550
01:36:06,629 --> 01:36:05,520
my attempt at remote viewing and i think

2551
01:36:08,790 --> 01:36:06,639
when you get into this stuff you

2552
01:36:10,870 --> 01:36:08,800
inevitably buy the books by

2553
01:36:12,790 --> 01:36:10,880
uh gentlemen monaco and stuff on how to

2554
01:36:14,629 --> 01:36:12,800
do it you know and you'd sort of try

2555
01:36:17,350 --> 01:36:14,639
your hand at remote viewing

2556
01:36:19,430 --> 01:36:17,360
and uh you know in my case i i have my

2557
01:36:21,110 --> 01:36:19,440
wife print out pictures from the

2558
01:36:23,350 --> 01:36:21,120
internet when she's at work and put them

2559
01:36:25,270 --> 01:36:23,360
in envelopes and then i try to see

2560
01:36:27,030 --> 01:36:25,280
what's in the envelopes and when i

2561
01:36:29,270 --> 01:36:27,040
started doing this

2562
01:36:30,709 --> 01:36:29,280
what i started doing was having her do

2563
01:36:32,390 --> 01:36:30,719
this and trying to remote view what was

2564
01:36:35,430 --> 01:36:32,400
in the envelopes before i went to bed at

2565
01:36:37,189 --> 01:36:35,440
night but then not look uh at what was

2566
01:36:40,310 --> 01:36:37,199
in the envelope until the next morning

2567
01:36:42,390 --> 01:36:40,320
to see if i maybe dreamed about it well

2568
01:36:44,390 --> 01:36:42,400
my remote my attempts to actually remote

2569
01:36:47,189 --> 01:36:44,400
view what's in the envelope consciously

2570
01:36:49,189 --> 01:36:47,199
i mean i meditate i go into this you

2571
01:36:50,790 --> 01:36:49,199
know and try to go into a trance and

2572
01:36:53,590 --> 01:36:50,800
everything doing everything i'm supposed

2573
01:36:55,590 --> 01:36:53,600
to do is like no no i mean my my

2574
01:36:56,950 --> 01:36:55,600
impressions are so wildly different from

2575
01:36:58,149 --> 01:36:56,960
what's in the hublot that i'm just i'm

2576
01:36:59,669 --> 01:36:58,159
completely hopeless when it comes to

2577
01:37:03,430 --> 01:36:59,679
remote viewing but

2578
01:37:05,830 --> 01:37:03,440
my dreams pick up on on these things

2579
01:37:07,350 --> 01:37:05,840
uh and it's again it's it's it's kind of

2580
01:37:09,189 --> 01:37:07,360
stunning when you use that's a cool

2581
01:37:11,590 --> 01:37:09,199
approach i've never heard of somebody uh

2582
01:37:14,229 --> 01:37:11,600
doing that i like that it has kind of a

2583
01:37:15,750 --> 01:37:14,239
ring to it yeah it's it's it's very cool

2584
01:37:17,270 --> 01:37:15,760
and having a lot of fun doing this and

2585
01:37:19,270 --> 01:37:17,280
like i said if you're all interested in

2586
01:37:22,229 --> 01:37:19,280
this stuff this book experiment with

2587
01:37:23,590 --> 01:37:22,239
time is really it was an eye opener

2588
01:37:24,870 --> 01:37:23,600
especially for me since i'd always been

2589
01:37:26,950 --> 01:37:24,880
interested in dreams but i've never

2590
01:37:30,149 --> 01:37:26,960
bothered to actually look at my

2591
01:37:32,629 --> 01:37:30,159
my recorded dreams in the subsequent day

2592
01:37:33,669 --> 01:37:32,639
or two go back you know at the end of

2593
01:37:35,590 --> 01:37:33,679
the day

2594
01:37:36,790 --> 01:37:35,600
read your description you wrote down in

2595
01:37:39,030 --> 01:37:36,800
your dream and then think about what

2596
01:37:40,790 --> 01:37:39,040
happened during that day so rather than

2597
01:37:42,950 --> 01:37:40,800
reflecting the past of what you've

2598
01:37:44,550 --> 01:37:42,960
experienced some dreams represent the

2599
01:37:48,550 --> 01:37:44,560
future yes but we're saying here

2600
01:37:51,189 --> 01:37:48,560
basically that what we regard as time

2601
01:37:54,229 --> 01:37:51,199
is something that is only artificially

2602
01:37:54,950 --> 01:37:54,239
perceived as linear who knows yes i mean

2603
01:38:00,550 --> 01:37:54,960
we

2604
01:38:02,229 --> 01:38:00,560
what there's a cultural bias there too

2605
01:38:04,790 --> 01:38:02,239
as well i mean if you if you look at the

2606
01:38:05,910 --> 01:38:04,800
pueblo uh indian tradition for instance

2607
01:38:08,149 --> 01:38:05,920
the hopi

2608
01:38:11,350 --> 01:38:08,159
there is no past and future everything

2609
01:38:12,950 --> 01:38:11,360
is in an eternal now and and so it there

2610
01:38:16,149 --> 01:38:12,960
is a certain cultural

2611
01:38:17,109 --> 01:38:16,159
almost mindset uh in terms of how we

2612
01:38:18,310 --> 01:38:17,119
define

2613
01:38:21,109 --> 01:38:18,320
our terms

2614
01:38:22,950 --> 01:38:21,119
and how that definition is reflected in

2615
01:38:24,790 --> 01:38:22,960
our reality view yeah that could be

2616
01:38:27,189 --> 01:38:24,800
really important the culture exactly the

2617
01:38:28,550 --> 01:38:27,199
cultural all your cultural beliefs about

2618
01:38:31,350 --> 01:38:28,560
time and

2619
01:38:33,270 --> 01:38:31,360
the way language works in relation to

2620
01:38:35,510 --> 01:38:33,280
time i mean time some people argue that

2621
01:38:37,510 --> 01:38:35,520
time is purely a function of language

2622
01:38:39,990 --> 01:38:37,520
that is an argument that is that is made

2623
01:38:42,790 --> 01:38:40,000
but that still raises the question what

2624
01:38:43,590 --> 01:38:42,800
is what's the reality there and why do

2625
01:38:45,910 --> 01:38:43,600
we

2626
01:38:47,750 --> 01:38:45,920
time seems to affect physical systems

2627
01:38:49,750 --> 01:38:47,760
you know even when we're not observing

2628
01:38:51,030 --> 01:38:49,760
it so what's going on what is the nature

2629
01:38:52,790 --> 01:38:51,040
of this thing i

2630
01:38:54,629 --> 01:38:52,800
i don't know i mean there are two there

2631
01:38:56,629 --> 01:38:54,639
are two ways i think about it and i

2632
01:38:57,590 --> 01:38:56,639
think in my you know i've been exploring

2633
01:38:59,030 --> 01:38:57,600
this

2634
01:39:00,870 --> 01:38:59,040
in these articles over the past couple

2635
01:39:02,629 --> 01:39:00,880
of months

2636
01:39:05,030 --> 01:39:02,639
and trying to get my handle on it and i

2637
01:39:06,709 --> 01:39:05,040
guess i've come up with sort of two

2638
01:39:09,510 --> 01:39:06,719
metaphors for thinking of it one is the

2639
01:39:11,510 --> 01:39:09,520
sort of non-locality model that we're

2640
01:39:14,149 --> 01:39:11,520
really living in eternal now

2641
01:39:16,470 --> 01:39:14,159
and that it and thus we theoretically we

2642
01:39:18,149 --> 01:39:16,480
have access to all information

2643
01:39:19,189 --> 01:39:18,159
uh from where we're sitting right here

2644
01:39:19,990 --> 01:39:19,199
right now

2645
01:39:21,990 --> 01:39:20,000
uh

2646
01:39:23,189 --> 01:39:22,000
and time doesn't matter space doesn't

2647
01:39:25,030 --> 01:39:23,199
matter whatever

2648
01:39:26,950 --> 01:39:25,040
the other model that i've found

2649
01:39:28,950 --> 01:39:26,960
compelling and i admit that it may just

2650
01:39:30,870 --> 01:39:28,960
be a metaphor but it's a metaphor that i

2651
01:39:33,270 --> 01:39:30,880
kind of take to

2652
01:39:34,870 --> 01:39:33,280
is the is this notion that maybe what

2653
01:39:35,990 --> 01:39:34,880
we're picking up on

2654
01:39:37,830 --> 01:39:36,000
is

2655
01:39:42,550 --> 01:39:37,840
strong emotions

2656
01:39:45,189 --> 01:39:42,560
kind of timeless

2657
01:39:47,669 --> 01:39:45,199
non-local quality that are that is able

2658
01:39:48,709 --> 01:39:47,679
particularly to work as a carrier signal

2659
01:39:49,669 --> 01:39:48,719
almost

2660
01:39:52,390 --> 01:39:49,679
for

2661
01:39:56,950 --> 01:39:52,400
this

2662
01:39:59,030 --> 01:39:56,960
psychical research it goes back to

2663
01:40:01,669 --> 01:39:59,040
frederick myers in the 19th century was

2664
01:40:02,709 --> 01:40:01,679
that the trauma is the carrier

2665
01:40:06,709 --> 01:40:02,719
of

2666
01:40:09,189 --> 01:40:06,719
about telepathy talking about visit you

2667
01:40:11,350 --> 01:40:09,199
know apparitions of loved ones who died

2668
01:40:14,790 --> 01:40:11,360
on a battlefield or whatever or

2669
01:40:16,629 --> 01:40:14,800
uh or precognitive phenomena

2670
01:40:18,229 --> 01:40:16,639
uh this is an idea that goes through a

2671
01:40:20,870 --> 01:40:18,239
lot of

2672
01:40:24,390 --> 01:40:20,880
psychic research that trauma or strong

2673
01:40:26,950 --> 01:40:24,400
emotions well in haunting sites too

2674
01:40:28,550 --> 01:40:26,960
sure and poltergeist phenomena these are

2675
01:40:29,830 --> 01:40:28,560
basically strong emotions that are being

2676
01:40:32,070 --> 01:40:29,840
externalized

2677
01:40:32,950 --> 01:40:32,080
that's a sort of a common theme

2678
01:40:33,990 --> 01:40:32,960
and

2679
01:40:35,350 --> 01:40:34,000
uh

2680
01:40:38,149 --> 01:40:35,360
so i'm

2681
01:40:39,109 --> 01:40:38,159
i'm sort of part of me thinks that it's

2682
01:40:41,750 --> 01:40:39,119
that

2683
01:40:43,430 --> 01:40:41,760
we are really tapping into

2684
01:40:45,510 --> 01:40:43,440
future

2685
01:40:47,189 --> 01:40:45,520
strong reactions

2686
01:40:48,310 --> 01:40:47,199
to events so it's not like we're just

2687
01:40:49,990 --> 01:40:48,320
seeing

2688
01:40:51,510 --> 01:40:50,000
the any anything that happens in the

2689
01:40:52,870 --> 01:40:51,520
future i'm not just seeing you know what

2690
01:40:53,990 --> 01:40:52,880
i'm going to have for breakfast tomorrow

2691
01:40:56,310 --> 01:40:54,000
that doesn't matter and that's not going

2692
01:40:57,910 --> 01:40:56,320
to resonate backwards in time it's not

2693
01:40:58,709 --> 01:40:57,920
going to send out ripples

2694
01:40:59,669 --> 01:40:58,719
in

2695
01:41:00,629 --> 01:40:59,679
time

2696
01:41:04,070 --> 01:41:00,639
but

2697
01:41:05,510 --> 01:41:04,080
events that have a strong emotional

2698
01:41:07,030 --> 01:41:05,520
component to them

2699
01:41:08,790 --> 01:41:07,040
uh

2700
01:41:10,709 --> 01:41:08,800
especially if there's sort of a strong

2701
01:41:12,470 --> 01:41:10,719
conflicting emotional component where

2702
01:41:15,350 --> 01:41:12,480
there's something kind of

2703
01:41:18,629 --> 01:41:15,360
exciting and at the same time kind of

2704
01:41:21,910 --> 01:41:18,639
painful or scary or traumatizing

2705
01:41:24,790 --> 01:41:21,920
these things seem to

2706
01:41:27,669 --> 01:41:24,800
seem to be what people pick up on and

2707
01:41:28,950 --> 01:41:27,679
definitely what i'm picking up on in my

2708
01:41:30,790 --> 01:41:28,960
precognitive

2709
01:41:32,470 --> 01:41:30,800
sort of dream

2710
01:41:33,990 --> 01:41:32,480
you know dreams that have some sort of

2711
01:41:35,750 --> 01:41:34,000
cognitive content that's what i'm

2712
01:41:37,510 --> 01:41:35,760
picking up on it's what i'm picking up

2713
01:41:39,750 --> 01:41:37,520
on in synchronicities and what i think

2714
01:41:42,709 --> 01:41:39,760
is happening with with with most

2715
01:41:46,550 --> 01:41:42,719
synchronicities is that a

2716
01:41:47,910 --> 01:41:46,560
uh is that future strong emotion is is

2717
01:41:50,629 --> 01:41:47,920
resonating

2718
01:41:52,790 --> 01:41:50,639
with an event in the present and

2719
01:41:54,390 --> 01:41:52,800
this is creating these what i call this

2720
01:41:56,390 --> 01:41:54,400
article sort of time

2721
01:41:57,510 --> 01:41:56,400
sort of feedback loops

2722
01:42:01,270 --> 01:41:57,520
because

2723
01:42:02,629 --> 01:42:01,280
don't realize it's from the future we

2724
01:42:03,590 --> 01:42:02,639
think we're reacting to something in the

2725
01:42:05,590 --> 01:42:03,600
present

2726
01:42:07,669 --> 01:42:05,600
and it sort of guides us and directs us

2727
01:42:10,149 --> 01:42:07,679
and then it directs us towards the event

2728
01:42:12,709 --> 01:42:10,159
that we were actually responding to

2729
01:42:14,790 --> 01:42:12,719
and and so that event actually hasn't

2730
01:42:17,270 --> 01:42:14,800
amplified

2731
01:42:19,510 --> 01:42:17,280
impact on us more of a more of an impact

2732
01:42:21,350 --> 01:42:19,520
than it would have otherwise and thus

2733
01:42:23,910 --> 01:42:21,360
that and that impact that amplified

2734
01:42:25,669 --> 01:42:23,920
impact thus affects us more

2735
01:42:27,990 --> 01:42:25,679
in that past moment when we were first

2736
01:42:30,310 --> 01:42:28,000
picking up on it you see so it's like a

2737
01:42:32,470 --> 01:42:30,320
circular feedback loop type thing i'm

2738
01:42:34,550 --> 01:42:32,480
literally like you know pushing a

2739
01:42:36,390 --> 01:42:34,560
speaker too close to a microphone and it

2740
01:42:39,109 --> 01:42:36,400
immediately starts to squeal

2741
01:42:40,550 --> 01:42:39,119
uh that i'm thinking the size signal

2742
01:42:42,629 --> 01:42:40,560
squeals

2743
01:42:44,629 --> 01:42:42,639
sometimes that's a good analogy actually

2744
01:42:47,350 --> 01:42:44,639
and that's what a synchronicity is yeah

2745
01:42:48,790 --> 01:42:47,360
um and that the symbolic

2746
01:42:51,109 --> 01:42:48,800
dimension of it

2747
01:42:53,109 --> 01:42:51,119
you know for young young is very

2748
01:42:55,189 --> 01:42:53,119
he's very unclear about what he really

2749
01:42:56,390 --> 01:42:55,199
means if you read that book it's just

2750
01:42:58,390 --> 01:42:56,400
like what

2751
01:42:59,590 --> 01:42:58,400
the hell i mean it's it's it's very hard

2752
01:43:01,510 --> 01:42:59,600
to understand

2753
01:43:03,590 --> 01:43:01,520
uh where he's going and i don't think

2754
01:43:04,629 --> 01:43:03,600
he's really very clear but he's sort of

2755
01:43:07,510 --> 01:43:04,639
trying to

2756
01:43:09,189 --> 01:43:07,520
of pet

2757
01:43:11,270 --> 01:43:09,199
theory of archetypes of the collective

2758
01:43:15,350 --> 01:43:11,280
unconscious and almost kind of makes it

2759
01:43:16,390 --> 01:43:15,360
as if these archetypes are orchestrating

2760
01:43:21,830 --> 01:43:16,400
these

2761
01:43:24,390 --> 01:43:21,840
as if they have as if symbols somehow by

2762
01:43:25,750 --> 01:43:24,400
themselves have a power to stage manage

2763
01:43:27,189 --> 01:43:25,760
our lives

2764
01:43:29,270 --> 01:43:27,199
and i think that you don't need to

2765
01:43:30,709 --> 01:43:29,280
assume i think that if you just take

2766
01:43:33,350 --> 01:43:30,719
this one

2767
01:43:36,470 --> 01:43:33,360
one sort of well-established

2768
01:43:38,390 --> 01:43:36,480
finding in parapsychology which is that

2769
01:43:41,189 --> 01:43:38,400
somehow information does travel

2770
01:43:42,790 --> 01:43:41,199
backwards in time and affect us

2771
01:43:45,750 --> 01:43:42,800
that's all you need

2772
01:43:47,350 --> 01:43:45,760
uh because by this logic that i'm that

2773
01:43:50,229 --> 01:43:47,360
i'm proposing

2774
01:43:51,910 --> 01:43:50,239
i think that even people who accept that

2775
01:43:53,510 --> 01:43:51,920
information can travel backwards in time

2776
01:43:56,149 --> 01:43:53,520
even parapsychologists even people like

2777
01:43:57,350 --> 01:43:56,159
dean rayden you know they they can be on

2778
01:44:00,390 --> 01:43:57,360
the one hand they can be on board with

2779
01:44:02,070 --> 01:44:00,400
this idea basically but they tend not to

2780
01:44:03,990 --> 01:44:02,080
then think about the implications of

2781
01:44:05,830 --> 01:44:04,000
that and i think

2782
01:44:07,030 --> 01:44:05,840
science fiction is what tells us what

2783
01:44:08,550 --> 01:44:07,040
the implications of that are i mean

2784
01:44:11,189 --> 01:44:08,560
there are countless time travel stories

2785
01:44:13,830 --> 01:44:11,199
in science fiction that tell us about

2786
01:44:16,390 --> 01:44:13,840
all the things that can happen when

2787
01:44:17,350 --> 01:44:16,400
something travels backward in time uh

2788
01:44:19,109 --> 01:44:17,360
and there's all the you know the

2789
01:44:20,870 --> 01:44:19,119
different ways that that that

2790
01:44:22,470 --> 01:44:20,880
contradictions can be created the

2791
01:44:24,709 --> 01:44:22,480
grandfather paragraph grandfather

2792
01:44:26,310 --> 01:44:24,719
paradox but there's also possibilities

2793
01:44:29,189 --> 01:44:26,320
where things can be sort of doubled and

2794
01:44:31,350 --> 01:44:29,199
repeated and amplified i'm saying that

2795
01:44:32,629 --> 01:44:31,360
there's really kind of two basic paths

2796
01:44:34,709 --> 01:44:32,639
for this information that travels

2797
01:44:37,350 --> 01:44:34,719
backwards in time i'd say the bulk of it

2798
01:44:38,870 --> 01:44:37,360
gets negated and gets lost because you

2799
01:44:40,310 --> 01:44:38,880
know i i think the universe is

2800
01:44:42,709 --> 01:44:40,320
open-ended like i said at the beginning

2801
01:44:44,149 --> 01:44:42,719
of our interview i i don't think it's

2802
01:44:46,470 --> 01:44:44,159
etched in stone and i think our

2803
01:44:48,550 --> 01:44:46,480
conscious our freely willed actions

2804
01:44:50,390 --> 01:44:48,560
make negate most of that information

2805
01:44:51,750 --> 01:44:50,400
we're receiving from the future you know

2806
01:44:54,550 --> 01:44:51,760
because we've taken a different course

2807
01:44:56,629 --> 01:44:54,560
of action uh we've done something that's

2808
01:44:58,229 --> 01:44:56,639
rendered that information null we

2809
01:45:00,470 --> 01:44:58,239
wouldn't even know it was information it

2810
01:45:02,470 --> 01:45:00,480
just becomes noise but i think

2811
01:45:04,390 --> 01:45:02,480
occasionally it's going to have the

2812
01:45:05,590 --> 01:45:04,400
opposite take the opposite

2813
01:45:07,669 --> 01:45:05,600
path and it's going to lead to a

2814
01:45:09,109 --> 01:45:07,679
coincidence and i'll tell you what let's

2815
01:45:11,510 --> 01:45:09,119
do our break here we're going to

2816
01:45:13,750 --> 01:45:11,520
continue to talk about a reality that

2817
01:45:14,870 --> 01:45:13,760
sounds to me like clay that can be

2818
01:45:17,189 --> 01:45:14,880
molded

2819
01:45:21,030 --> 01:45:18,550
yeah let's get into that in our next

2820
01:45:27,669 --> 01:45:21,040
segment with eric wargo and gene and

2821
01:45:33,510 --> 01:45:31,310
a little right a little laugh but always

2822
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independent-minded the genesis

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communications network

2824
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2825
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2826
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2827
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2840
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2842
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2843
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2844
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when stating a central bank issuing the

2845
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2846
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2847
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2860
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2862
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welcome back to the paracast the gold

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2883
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and now

2884
01:48:01,430 --> 01:47:57,950
here's gene steinberg

2885
01:48:05,910 --> 01:48:03,910
eric wargo is joining us on the power

2886
01:48:07,510 --> 01:48:05,920
cast let me say first of all that we

2887
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2903
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o'brien very apt in light of our

2904
01:48:48,950 --> 01:48:45,440
discussion

2905
01:48:50,229 --> 01:48:48,960
plus drpowercast.com eric wargo is with

2906
01:48:53,030 --> 01:48:50,239
us and we're trying to figure out what's

2907
01:48:56,149 --> 01:48:53,040
happening here now if

2908
01:48:58,629 --> 01:48:56,159
time is really an illusion everything is

2909
01:49:00,550 --> 01:48:58,639
happening in the now and we just had to

2910
01:49:02,550 --> 01:49:00,560
perceive it maybe we perceive it

2911
01:49:04,950 --> 01:49:02,560
artificially what about the concept of

2912
01:49:06,950 --> 01:49:04,960
aging we get older gradually yeah i look

2913
01:49:08,149 --> 01:49:06,960
at i look at the mirror today and that

2914
01:49:11,590 --> 01:49:08,159
guy

2915
01:49:14,149 --> 01:49:11,600
you desperately want that not to be true

2916
01:49:15,750 --> 01:49:14,159
don't you so do i

2917
01:49:17,590 --> 01:49:15,760
yeah i think when you hit about 40 you

2918
01:49:19,270 --> 01:49:17,600
start worrying about that well like

2919
01:49:20,950 --> 01:49:19,280
that's this guy this is an example of

2920
01:49:22,229 --> 01:49:20,960
the all the physical processes i

2921
01:49:25,510 --> 01:49:22,239
mentioned which yes they have a

2922
01:49:27,750 --> 01:49:25,520
direction and if time is an illusion

2923
01:49:29,590 --> 01:49:27,760
why do these physical processes occur in

2924
01:49:31,189 --> 01:49:29,600
one direction and

2925
01:49:34,149 --> 01:49:31,199
yeah yeah there's there's where i'm

2926
01:49:35,669 --> 01:49:34,159
stumped second law of thermodynamics

2927
01:49:37,270 --> 01:49:35,679
right right right second law of

2928
01:49:39,109 --> 01:49:37,280
thermodynamics okay

2929
01:49:41,510 --> 01:49:39,119
yeah what do you do with that i don't

2930
01:49:43,830 --> 01:49:41,520
yeah entropy you know the sound the

2931
01:49:45,669 --> 01:49:43,840
smell of things falling apart yeah yeah

2932
01:49:48,390 --> 01:49:45,679
well getting back to your idea of of

2933
01:49:51,830 --> 01:49:48,400
this this idea of only certain

2934
01:49:54,310 --> 01:49:51,840
um future events stick in the present um

2935
01:49:56,790 --> 01:49:54,320
because of of free will and choice and

2936
01:49:58,470 --> 01:49:56,800
some of them are rendered mood the many

2937
01:49:59,590 --> 01:49:58,480
worlds uh

2938
01:50:02,229 --> 01:49:59,600
theory

2939
01:50:05,189 --> 01:50:02,239
suggests that every action that we take

2940
01:50:06,310 --> 01:50:05,199
spins off a a separate reality and there

2941
01:50:09,990 --> 01:50:06,320
could be

2942
01:50:12,229 --> 01:50:10,000
quadrillions of permutations of other

2943
01:50:14,870 --> 01:50:12,239
selves actually acting out

2944
01:50:16,310 --> 01:50:14,880
scenarios that um spin-off scenarios

2945
01:50:17,669 --> 01:50:16,320
that spin off scenarios that spin-off

2946
01:50:20,629 --> 01:50:17,679
scenarios and

2947
01:50:23,350 --> 01:50:20,639
you know when you get into that whole

2948
01:50:25,430 --> 01:50:23,360
very sci-fi sounding realm uh you know

2949
01:50:26,629 --> 01:50:25,440
there is some science to back back this

2950
01:50:29,109 --> 01:50:26,639
up um

2951
01:50:31,910 --> 01:50:29,119
particle physics has suggested that

2952
01:50:33,430 --> 01:50:31,920
that we may actually be dealing with

2953
01:50:35,350 --> 01:50:33,440
with multiple

2954
01:50:36,790 --> 01:50:35,360
realities that are spinning off

2955
01:50:38,550 --> 01:50:36,800
constantly

2956
01:50:39,830 --> 01:50:38,560
let's say that there's a possibility of

2957
01:50:42,470 --> 01:50:39,840
that being real

2958
01:50:43,189 --> 01:50:42,480
possibly what we're seeing

2959
01:50:46,070 --> 01:50:43,199
in

2960
01:50:47,350 --> 01:50:46,080
present

2961
01:50:49,590 --> 01:50:47,360
is where

2962
01:50:52,229 --> 01:50:49,600
many of these realities uh converge

2963
01:50:54,870 --> 01:50:52,239
possibly where important convergence

2964
01:50:56,870 --> 01:50:54,880
points maybe uh create enough of a

2965
01:50:59,750 --> 01:50:56,880
enough of a presence in the

2966
01:51:00,550 --> 01:50:59,760
space-time continuum if you will to to

2967
01:51:02,310 --> 01:51:00,560
then

2968
01:51:05,350 --> 01:51:02,320
kick back and uh

2969
01:51:08,149 --> 01:51:05,360
impact us in the present

2970
01:51:10,310 --> 01:51:08,159
the way i've always sort of interpreted

2971
01:51:12,229 --> 01:51:10,320
the many worlds interpretation is that

2972
01:51:14,709 --> 01:51:12,239
it to me i have sort of a mental model

2973
01:51:17,430 --> 01:51:14,719
of like almost a vine of grapes and that

2974
01:51:19,990 --> 01:51:17,440
each sort of yeah each action spins off

2975
01:51:21,910 --> 01:51:20,000
a new universe but that those universes

2976
01:51:23,350 --> 01:51:21,920
are are separate from each other they're

2977
01:51:25,750 --> 01:51:23,360
like it's like almost

2978
01:51:28,629 --> 01:51:27,270
i don't know that they don't interact i

2979
01:51:31,030 --> 01:51:28,639
think that

2980
01:51:31,990 --> 01:51:31,040
that is a way at least for physicists to

2981
01:51:34,229 --> 01:51:32,000
sort of

2982
01:51:36,790 --> 01:51:34,239
grapple with these issues and not have

2983
01:51:38,790 --> 01:51:36,800
to worry about the kinds of

2984
01:51:40,709 --> 01:51:38,800
problems that we're trying to address

2985
01:51:42,629 --> 01:51:40,719
right here you know the paranormal and

2986
01:51:44,550 --> 01:51:42,639
stuff um

2987
01:51:48,229 --> 01:51:44,560
to me it's kind of like a prophylactic

2988
01:51:50,790 --> 01:51:48,239
model of of of multiple universes where

2989
01:51:52,950 --> 01:51:50,800
they're okay each action spins off you

2990
01:51:54,709 --> 01:51:52,960
know a bubble universe and it but it

2991
01:51:57,189 --> 01:51:54,719
doesn't we can't then go back and

2992
01:51:58,950 --> 01:51:57,199
interact with the other universe

2993
01:52:01,350 --> 01:51:58,960
i'm suggesting that that's not a good

2994
01:52:03,510 --> 01:52:01,360
way to think about it that that that we

2995
01:52:05,589 --> 01:52:03,520
should think about the future and the

2996
01:52:07,430 --> 01:52:05,599
past and time as this

2997
01:52:08,629 --> 01:52:07,440
kind of constantly

2998
01:52:11,589 --> 01:52:08,639
shifting

2999
01:52:13,109 --> 01:52:11,599
mush of different sort of overlapping

3000
01:52:15,589 --> 01:52:13,119
possibilities and that may be what we're

3001
01:52:18,310 --> 01:52:15,599
perceiving as the march of history and

3002
01:52:19,990 --> 01:52:18,320
time is kind of the statistically most

3003
01:52:22,310 --> 01:52:20,000
likely

3004
01:52:25,189 --> 01:52:22,320
you know path or something and that or

3005
01:52:28,070 --> 01:52:25,199
maybe our our cortex is somehow forcing

3006
01:52:30,470 --> 01:52:28,080
us to pick one reality over

3007
01:52:32,470 --> 01:52:30,480
all the multiple possibilities unless we

3008
01:52:34,149 --> 01:52:32,480
only see that one reality i don't or i

3009
01:52:35,830 --> 01:52:34,159
don't know something something like that

3010
01:52:37,750 --> 01:52:35,840
but i guess what i'm suggesting is that

3011
01:52:38,950 --> 01:52:37,760
these different possibilities coexisting

3012
01:52:40,310 --> 01:52:38,960
i guess that's maybe kind of what you're

3013
01:52:42,229 --> 01:52:40,320
getting out there at the end of what you

3014
01:52:43,669 --> 01:52:42,239
said that it's like they these multiple

3015
01:52:46,390 --> 01:52:43,679
universes are

3016
01:52:48,870 --> 01:52:46,400
overlapping and coexisting somehow i

3017
01:52:51,030 --> 01:52:48,880
mean i guess i always sort of go back to

3018
01:52:53,510 --> 01:52:51,040
the the way that frank herbert used to

3019
01:52:55,669 --> 01:52:53,520
sort of describe it in his dune books

3020
01:52:57,430 --> 01:52:55,679
um you know where where the future is

3021
01:52:59,990 --> 01:52:57,440
this kind of shifting

3022
01:53:02,229 --> 01:53:00,000
kind of landscape it's like a landscape

3023
01:53:04,390 --> 01:53:02,239
but it can shift and like there's a

3024
01:53:05,430 --> 01:53:04,400
different possible futures and our

3025
01:53:06,950 --> 01:53:05,440
actions

3026
01:53:08,790 --> 01:53:06,960
sort of can

3027
01:53:10,790 --> 01:53:08,800
intervene in those futures

3028
01:53:12,310 --> 01:53:10,800
this again goes back to why i don't like

3029
01:53:14,709 --> 01:53:12,320
to think of the universe as this big

3030
01:53:16,470 --> 01:53:14,719
glass football you know that's already

3031
01:53:17,589 --> 01:53:16,480
etched in stone and that we're sort of

3032
01:53:19,189 --> 01:53:17,599
just

3033
01:53:20,950 --> 01:53:19,199
you know sort of scrubbing through it

3034
01:53:22,709 --> 01:53:20,960
almost like on a video editing timeline

3035
01:53:23,669 --> 01:53:22,719
where we're just sort of seeing

3036
01:53:26,470 --> 01:53:23,679
you know

3037
01:53:28,950 --> 01:53:26,480
seeing this this one objective march of

3038
01:53:31,350 --> 01:53:28,960
history i think that it's uh i think

3039
01:53:33,990 --> 01:53:31,360
reality is very multiple and overlapping

3040
01:53:35,430 --> 01:53:34,000
it's infinitely more complex right right

3041
01:53:37,030 --> 01:53:35,440
so i think you're right i think i would

3042
01:53:38,550 --> 01:53:37,040
be fine with this multiple worlds

3043
01:53:40,229 --> 01:53:38,560
interpretation as long as these multiple

3044
01:53:41,669 --> 01:53:40,239
worlds are interacting with each other

3045
01:53:43,270 --> 01:53:41,679
or not they're they're not just bubbled

3046
01:53:45,669 --> 01:53:43,280
off well that's what i was suggesting

3047
01:53:47,589 --> 01:53:45,679
and the points of interaction maybe

3048
01:53:49,430 --> 01:53:47,599
could be those those points that then

3049
01:53:50,950 --> 01:53:49,440
kick back to the present because they

3050
01:53:52,390 --> 01:53:50,960
have enough uh they have i see what

3051
01:53:54,950 --> 01:53:52,400
you're saying okay so it's like they

3052
01:53:56,709 --> 01:53:54,960
interact at certain like key points

3053
01:53:59,910 --> 01:53:56,719
right yeah okay

3054
01:54:01,669 --> 01:53:59,920
trauma would be a good example sure

3055
01:54:03,910 --> 01:54:01,679
of an interacting point that would have

3056
01:54:05,270 --> 01:54:03,920
a lot of inertia behind it if you will

3057
01:54:06,470 --> 01:54:05,280
that's an interesting idea that's an

3058
01:54:08,790 --> 01:54:06,480
interesting idea

3059
01:54:10,950 --> 01:54:08,800
but um getting into this whole idea now

3060
01:54:12,870 --> 01:54:10,960
of of jung i i want to mention this

3061
01:54:15,669 --> 01:54:12,880
before we get too far down the road here

3062
01:54:17,589 --> 01:54:15,679
and the whole idea of archetypes and and

3063
01:54:19,109 --> 01:54:17,599
the collective unconscious uh where do

3064
01:54:20,950 --> 01:54:19,119
you come down in the collective

3065
01:54:23,910 --> 01:54:20,960
unconscious i've always felt that there

3066
01:54:27,270 --> 01:54:23,920
was some sort of of something resonated

3067
01:54:29,270 --> 01:54:27,280
about that with me uh always and

3068
01:54:31,990 --> 01:54:29,280
but what you're kind of suggesting is

3069
01:54:34,550 --> 01:54:32,000
almost uh is is really downplaying

3070
01:54:36,790 --> 01:54:34,560
that potential um aspect of human

3071
01:54:39,030 --> 01:54:36,800
existence that that

3072
01:54:40,070 --> 01:54:39,040
we may be more autonomous and more

3073
01:54:41,030 --> 01:54:40,080
separate

3074
01:54:43,189 --> 01:54:41,040
um

3075
01:54:45,270 --> 01:54:43,199
than that based on the kind of model

3076
01:54:46,790 --> 01:54:45,280
that you're suggesting um how does the

3077
01:54:49,430 --> 01:54:46,800
collective unconscious

3078
01:54:51,990 --> 01:54:49,440
sort of you know how is that implied in

3079
01:54:54,709 --> 01:54:52,000
in this particular scenario or is it

3080
01:54:57,750 --> 01:54:54,719
well it's not really i i come at it i'm

3081
01:55:00,950 --> 01:54:57,760
coming out as an anthropologist and for

3082
01:55:02,790 --> 01:55:00,960
cultural anthropology you know symbols

3083
01:55:05,030 --> 01:55:02,800
you know are hugely

3084
01:55:07,030 --> 01:55:05,040
important in our lives i mean we're uh

3085
01:55:08,390 --> 01:55:07,040
we're symbolic creatures

3086
01:55:10,629 --> 01:55:08,400
but we're also

3087
01:55:14,629 --> 01:55:10,639
complete i think infinitely flexible

3088
01:55:16,149 --> 01:55:14,639
creatures and while the idea of these

3089
01:55:19,109 --> 01:55:16,159
archetypes of the collective unconscious

3090
01:55:21,990 --> 01:55:19,119
these sort of mega symbols that

3091
01:55:23,270 --> 01:55:22,000
that we're just born with and that sort

3092
01:55:25,030 --> 01:55:23,280
of

3093
01:55:27,430 --> 01:55:25,040
they're just universal

3094
01:55:28,390 --> 01:55:27,440
i i don't i can't get with that idea i

3095
01:55:31,030 --> 01:55:28,400
think that

3096
01:55:32,950 --> 01:55:31,040
the dominant symbols in a person's life

3097
01:55:35,430 --> 01:55:32,960
have to be very personal symbols now

3098
01:55:36,390 --> 01:55:35,440
they may take an archetypal form i mean

3099
01:55:38,229 --> 01:55:36,400
you know

3100
01:55:40,390 --> 01:55:38,239
your the most powerful symbols in your

3101
01:55:42,470 --> 01:55:40,400
life may be very very similar to the

3102
01:55:43,910 --> 01:55:42,480
most powerful symbols in the lives of

3103
01:55:46,070 --> 01:55:43,920
people from your community and your

3104
01:55:48,229 --> 01:55:46,080
culture i mean that's very very possible

3105
01:55:50,950 --> 01:55:48,239
so yeah a lot of the symbolism your

3106
01:55:52,950 --> 01:55:50,960
dreams and the symbolism the symbol the

3107
01:55:53,830 --> 01:55:52,960
deep symbolic structures that motivate

3108
01:55:57,189 --> 01:55:53,840
you

3109
01:55:58,629 --> 01:55:57,199
structure

3110
01:56:01,589 --> 01:55:58,639
yeah they may

3111
01:56:03,189 --> 01:56:01,599
be very similar to those of other people

3112
01:56:04,390 --> 01:56:03,199
in your community and your culture and

3113
01:56:07,270 --> 01:56:04,400
your family

3114
01:56:08,390 --> 01:56:07,280
what not but i think that it's possible

3115
01:56:11,030 --> 01:56:08,400
for

3116
01:56:13,109 --> 01:56:11,040
a person's symbolism to be very unique

3117
01:56:15,189 --> 01:56:13,119
and very idiosyncratic and i think that

3118
01:56:17,510 --> 01:56:15,199
frankly the most powerful symbols

3119
01:56:19,750 --> 01:56:17,520
in our lives are very

3120
01:56:21,189 --> 01:56:19,760
very idiosyncratic

3121
01:56:23,109 --> 01:56:21,199
very personal

3122
01:56:24,790 --> 01:56:23,119
kinds of things based on

3123
01:56:26,629 --> 01:56:24,800
you know our early life experience for

3124
01:56:28,790 --> 01:56:26,639
the most part and

3125
01:56:30,550 --> 01:56:28,800
you know i mean the idea of archetypes

3126
01:56:32,149 --> 01:56:30,560
it's a nice idea i don't you know

3127
01:56:34,070 --> 01:56:32,159
there's nothing wrong with it i think

3128
01:56:36,470 --> 01:56:34,080
it's i just think young oversold it i

3129
01:56:38,390 --> 01:56:36,480
mean like he liked a lot of geniuses he

3130
01:56:39,510 --> 01:56:38,400
took his pet idea and he wanted to make

3131
01:56:41,430 --> 01:56:39,520
it apply to everything and i think

3132
01:56:43,830 --> 01:56:41,440
that's normal that's fine i mean every

3133
01:56:45,430 --> 01:56:43,840
genius does that oh great i wrote a

3134
01:56:47,030 --> 01:56:45,440
whole book on the trickster archetype

3135
01:56:49,030 --> 01:56:47,040
and now you're saying that it's uh well

3136
01:56:50,870 --> 01:56:49,040
you know maybe

3137
01:56:53,270 --> 01:56:50,880
oh i'm a big believer in the trickster i

3138
01:56:55,430 --> 01:56:53,280
just don't know i i think no i mean i

3139
01:56:57,270 --> 01:56:55,440
yeah totally i mean yeah on some level

3140
01:56:58,629 --> 01:56:57,280
archetypes are

3141
01:57:00,550 --> 01:56:58,639
yeah we can talk about archetypes i just

3142
01:57:02,470 --> 01:57:00,560
don't know that they have the kind of

3143
01:57:04,790 --> 01:57:02,480
i'm not sure that they're they interact

3144
01:57:06,229 --> 01:57:04,800
with the world in the way that jung

3145
01:57:07,990 --> 01:57:06,239
wanted to make them interact with the

3146
01:57:09,910 --> 01:57:08,000
world particularly in his book on

3147
01:57:11,589 --> 01:57:09,920
synchronicity i think i think that's

3148
01:57:13,030 --> 01:57:11,599
where it kind of

3149
01:57:14,870 --> 01:57:13,040
breaks down somehow because there's like

3150
01:57:16,229 --> 01:57:14,880
he overstepped he overstepped his i

3151
01:57:17,910 --> 01:57:16,239
think he overstepped and i think he just

3152
01:57:19,830 --> 01:57:17,920
got things backwards i think that he was

3153
01:57:21,910 --> 01:57:19,840
trying to sort of make the archetype

3154
01:57:25,669 --> 01:57:21,920
which is his pet theory make it sort of

3155
01:57:27,830 --> 01:57:25,679
be the driver of these events right okay

3156
01:57:30,149 --> 01:57:27,840
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3157
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all right we're driving ourselves crazy

3265
02:02:07,350 --> 02:02:04,400
here trying to

3266
02:02:09,030 --> 02:02:07,360
judge reality with eric wargo and this

3267
02:02:11,990 --> 02:02:09,040
is getting to be one of the most

3268
02:02:14,149 --> 02:02:12,000
fascinating episodes because the mind is

3269
02:02:16,390 --> 02:02:14,159
the limit not the sky's the limit the

3270
02:02:18,310 --> 02:02:16,400
mind is the limit now what i understood

3271
02:02:20,550 --> 02:02:18,320
about carl jung early on when he wrote

3272
02:02:24,550 --> 02:02:20,560
his book about ufos is that we all

3273
02:02:25,830 --> 02:02:24,560
created collectively the reality of ufos

3274
02:02:28,070 --> 02:02:25,840
i don't think he

3275
02:02:29,990 --> 02:02:28,080
completely said that i mean

3276
02:02:31,350 --> 02:02:30,000
he said it represented a mandala of

3277
02:02:33,109 --> 02:02:31,360
completion

3278
02:02:35,109 --> 02:02:33,119
within the collective

3279
02:02:37,830 --> 02:02:35,119
well it's the way it was understood and

3280
02:02:39,910 --> 02:02:37,840
taken by people at the time

3281
02:02:42,149 --> 02:02:39,920
yeah well this is you know it's the same

3282
02:02:45,189 --> 02:02:42,159
as with his book on synchronicity

3283
02:02:47,430 --> 02:02:45,199
different stories he's obsessed yeah and

3284
02:02:48,629 --> 02:02:47,440
he tells different stories and sometimes

3285
02:02:50,550 --> 02:02:48,639
you know the archetype is just a

3286
02:02:52,629 --> 02:02:50,560
reflection of what's going on the

3287
02:02:54,229 --> 02:02:52,639
person's unconscious okay i'm down with

3288
02:02:56,550 --> 02:02:54,239
that i can i'm down with the the

3289
02:02:58,390 --> 02:02:56,560
archetype as kind of a mirror you know

3290
02:03:00,310 --> 02:02:58,400
well i'm also down with your your idea

3291
02:03:03,109 --> 02:03:00,320
that the archetypes don't drive things

3292
02:03:05,350 --> 02:03:03,119
um i i've always kind of felt that the

3293
02:03:07,430 --> 02:03:05,360
the whole idea of of the collective

3294
02:03:10,149 --> 02:03:07,440
symbols that are shared around the world

3295
02:03:11,669 --> 02:03:10,159
are more mechanisms than anything else

3296
02:03:13,669 --> 02:03:11,679
and that's why when people say well what

3297
02:03:16,310 --> 02:03:13,679
is the trickster is it is it a bean is

3298
02:03:19,189 --> 02:03:16,320
it a coyote is it a spider or what and i

3299
02:03:21,990 --> 02:03:19,199
say no it's a mechanism that ties

3300
02:03:24,310 --> 02:03:22,000
inexplicable events together and creates

3301
02:03:26,550 --> 02:03:24,320
uh you know topple static structure as a

3302
02:03:28,310 --> 02:03:26,560
result and creates change uh room for

3303
02:03:30,709 --> 02:03:28,320
changing creativity within culture you

3304
02:03:34,550 --> 02:03:30,719
know it's kind of cut and dried that way

3305
02:03:36,629 --> 02:03:34,560
but uh but man you you dissing me man

3306
02:03:39,030 --> 02:03:36,639
no i'm just saying that that fixture i

3307
02:03:40,790 --> 02:03:39,040
see where i the only way i would dispute

3308
02:03:42,070 --> 02:03:40,800
what you just said is i would say that

3309
02:03:43,830 --> 02:03:42,080
instead of saying the trickster is a

3310
02:03:45,109 --> 02:03:43,840
mechanism i would say that trickster is

3311
02:03:48,629 --> 02:03:45,119
a symbol

3312
02:03:52,550 --> 02:03:50,149
yeah i mean that's right that's all i'm

3313
02:03:54,470 --> 02:03:52,560
saying i think that the archetype is

3314
02:03:56,950 --> 02:03:54,480
just it's a way of representing

3315
02:03:59,109 --> 02:03:56,960
consciously consciously representing

3316
02:04:00,790 --> 02:03:59,119
it's a label much more yeah something

3317
02:04:02,870 --> 02:04:00,800
much more fundamental and something

3318
02:04:05,109 --> 02:04:02,880
probably unconscious that we can't

3319
02:04:08,229 --> 02:04:05,119
consciously fully grasp so we need these

3320
02:04:10,390 --> 02:04:08,239
we need these simplified concepts to get

3321
02:04:12,550 --> 02:04:10,400
a handle on them and maybe make them

3322
02:04:15,030 --> 02:04:12,560
work in our lives or at least

3323
02:04:17,830 --> 02:04:15,040
enable us to form hypotheses or whatever

3324
02:04:19,430 --> 02:04:17,840
so yeah we we need them but like in the

3325
02:04:21,910 --> 02:04:19,440
case of synchronicity i think that it's

3326
02:04:23,430 --> 02:04:21,920
a it's an epiphenomenon of what is

3327
02:04:25,589 --> 02:04:23,440
really going on and what's really going

3328
02:04:27,669 --> 02:04:25,599
on is just this mysterious relation to

3329
02:04:29,510 --> 02:04:27,679
time that we don't really understand and

3330
02:04:32,629 --> 02:04:29,520
that goes against our

3331
02:04:34,790 --> 02:04:32,639
our sort of the the basic models that we

3332
02:04:35,669 --> 02:04:34,800
sort of have to work with in real life

3333
02:04:38,470 --> 02:04:35,679
you know we have to make certain

3334
02:04:41,109 --> 02:04:38,480
assumptions like that a causes b you

3335
02:04:43,990 --> 02:04:41,119
know because 99

3336
02:04:46,310 --> 02:04:44,000
of the time a does cause b so

3337
02:04:48,470 --> 02:04:46,320
when b causes a

3338
02:04:49,669 --> 02:04:48,480
we're going to misinterpret that

3339
02:04:51,189 --> 02:04:49,679
and we're going to

3340
02:04:53,189 --> 02:04:51,199
tie our head in knots trying to figure

3341
02:04:55,510 --> 02:04:53,199
out how to make a cause b when in fact

3342
02:04:56,870 --> 02:04:55,520
no it was b causing a because

3343
02:04:58,149 --> 02:04:56,880
you know there's a certain most people

3344
02:04:59,750 --> 02:04:58,159
that'll just go right over their heads

3345
02:05:02,070 --> 02:04:59,760
and they won't realize that b was

3346
02:05:04,229 --> 02:05:02,080
causing a and and it's only if you're

3347
02:05:06,470 --> 02:05:04,239
aware of that as being a possibility

3348
02:05:08,709 --> 02:05:06,480
that you can even comprehend and

3349
02:05:10,149 --> 02:05:08,719
recognize it right exactly that's really

3350
02:05:11,430 --> 02:05:10,159
important and that's what you're right

3351
02:05:13,669 --> 02:05:11,440
that's what i wrote out about actually

3352
02:05:15,270 --> 02:05:13,679
really in my most recent blog post

3353
02:05:17,750 --> 02:05:15,280
but i'm basically saying that you have

3354
02:05:19,589 --> 02:05:17,760
to for this to work and for this to

3355
02:05:21,030 --> 02:05:19,599
even manifest

3356
02:05:22,950 --> 02:05:21,040
you have to take a certain interest in

3357
02:05:25,430 --> 02:05:22,960
it and you have to

3358
02:05:29,189 --> 02:05:25,440
be open to first noticing

3359
02:05:31,030 --> 02:05:29,199
these deviations and anomalies and then

3360
02:05:33,669 --> 02:05:31,040
ultimately you've got to like really

3361
02:05:37,189 --> 02:05:33,679
be really really motivated

3362
02:05:38,950 --> 02:05:37,199
to find them and that and that itself

3363
02:05:40,149 --> 02:05:38,960
will act to sort of bootstrap the

3364
02:05:43,750 --> 02:05:40,159
mechanism

3365
02:05:46,709 --> 02:05:43,760
of aligning your life with these kinds

3366
02:05:49,189 --> 02:05:46,719
of events i'm just sort of uh drifting

3367
02:05:51,030 --> 02:05:49,199
off into the zone of power and law of

3368
02:05:54,390 --> 02:05:51,040
attraction kind of

3369
02:05:56,790 --> 02:05:54,400
kind of a basic new age philosophy but

3370
02:05:59,189 --> 02:05:56,800
it is it's a snowball down a hill yeah

3371
02:06:00,629 --> 02:05:59,199
yeah exactly and it's important you know

3372
02:06:02,870 --> 02:06:00,639
for people out there that are interested

3373
02:06:04,790 --> 02:06:02,880
in in possibly taking eric up on his

3374
02:06:06,390 --> 02:06:04,800
suggestion you got to keep a dream

3375
02:06:08,709 --> 02:06:06,400
journal you have to write things down

3376
02:06:11,830 --> 02:06:08,719
that that are have meaning to you and

3377
02:06:14,390 --> 02:06:11,840
you don't understand why if something

3378
02:06:16,470 --> 02:06:14,400
gets your attention and it doesn't

3379
02:06:17,350 --> 02:06:16,480
particularly at that moment makes sense

3380
02:06:19,430 --> 02:06:17,360
why

3381
02:06:22,149 --> 02:06:19,440
it's grabbing your attention write it

3382
02:06:25,030 --> 02:06:22,159
down i mean everybody's walking around

3383
02:06:26,950 --> 02:06:25,040
with with cell phones and tablets and

3384
02:06:28,870 --> 02:06:26,960
you know we have laptops i mean it's

3385
02:06:31,109 --> 02:06:28,880
very easy to keep

3386
02:06:33,669 --> 02:06:31,119
a dream journal it's very easy to write

3387
02:06:35,990 --> 02:06:33,679
down a date and a i can't believe this

3388
02:06:37,510 --> 02:06:36,000
this thought that i just had you know

3389
02:06:39,109 --> 02:06:37,520
most people are lazy and they don't want

3390
02:06:41,030 --> 02:06:39,119
to take the time to do things like that

3391
02:06:42,870 --> 02:06:41,040
but if you're really interested

3392
02:06:44,390 --> 02:06:42,880
in becoming part of a

3393
02:06:45,990 --> 02:06:44,400
solution to

3394
02:06:48,229 --> 02:06:46,000
um you know some of the the deeper

3395
02:06:49,830 --> 02:06:48,239
mysteries of consciousness uh you know

3396
02:06:51,350 --> 02:06:49,840
work a little

3397
02:06:55,750 --> 02:06:51,360
absolutely

3398
02:06:57,910 --> 02:06:55,760
yeah it's um you just gotta start to pay

3399
02:06:59,750 --> 02:06:57,920
attention to this stuff let me throw

3400
02:07:02,550 --> 02:06:59,760
something out here which takes us back

3401
02:07:04,790 --> 02:07:02,560
to a more physical level okay so

3402
02:07:06,870 --> 02:07:04,800
we are seeing events that happen in the

3403
02:07:10,709 --> 02:07:06,880
future we're seeing our own future does

3404
02:07:11,669 --> 02:07:10,719
that extend to the past that precedes us

3405
02:07:13,589 --> 02:07:11,679
or not

3406
02:07:14,950 --> 02:07:13,599
are you saying unless you're if we can

3407
02:07:16,790 --> 02:07:14,960
see in the future

3408
02:07:19,030 --> 02:07:16,800
it has to be our own future we can't see

3409
02:07:20,950 --> 02:07:19,040
the far future when our descendants are

3410
02:07:23,109 --> 02:07:20,960
seeing something nor can we see

3411
02:07:25,030 --> 02:07:23,119
something in the past before actually i

3412
02:07:26,629 --> 02:07:25,040
would suggest that there's no that this

3413
02:07:28,629 --> 02:07:26,639
what i'm there's effect on describing

3414
02:07:30,069 --> 02:07:28,639
would it would operate in all directions

3415
02:07:31,350 --> 02:07:30,079
but the thing is we're seeing something

3416
02:07:33,109 --> 02:07:31,360
in the past we're going to assume that

3417
02:07:35,350 --> 02:07:33,119
it's just a memory it's not going to

3418
02:07:36,870 --> 02:07:35,360
occur to us that oh this this

3419
02:07:38,790 --> 02:07:36,880
information is reaching me through some

3420
02:07:41,030 --> 02:07:38,800
other channel than just my my own

3421
02:07:42,950 --> 02:07:41,040
physical memories so

3422
02:07:45,030 --> 02:07:42,960
deja vu gene would be an example of what

3423
02:07:47,510 --> 02:07:45,040
you're talking about i wanted to define

3424
02:07:49,430 --> 02:07:47,520
this but okay so if we're seeing things

3425
02:07:51,830 --> 02:07:49,440
in the future can we physically travel

3426
02:07:52,790 --> 02:07:51,840
to the future or to the past what's your

3427
02:07:56,229 --> 02:07:52,800
opinion

3428
02:07:57,669 --> 02:07:56,239
what i'm talking about no

3429
02:07:58,870 --> 02:07:57,679
i'm trying to create i'm part of what

3430
02:08:01,350 --> 02:07:58,880
i'm trying to do is to come up with as

3431
02:08:02,470 --> 02:08:01,360
parsimonious a theory of the most

3432
02:08:06,870 --> 02:08:02,480
baffling

3433
02:08:09,589 --> 02:08:06,880
the phenomena in human

3434
02:08:11,510 --> 02:08:09,599
existence which is synchronicities

3435
02:08:13,270 --> 02:08:11,520
uh and come up with a parsimonious

3436
02:08:17,109 --> 02:08:13,280
theory that doesn't require

3437
02:08:19,430 --> 02:08:17,119
other like it requires a minimum of

3438
02:08:21,430 --> 02:08:19,440
phenomena to come in and help explain

3439
02:08:22,950 --> 02:08:21,440
i'm not saying time physical time travel

3440
02:08:24,550 --> 02:08:22,960
is impossible but i'm saying you don't

3441
02:08:26,390 --> 02:08:24,560
need it for what i'm saying

3442
02:08:28,310 --> 02:08:26,400
now one explanation sometimes for

3443
02:08:29,990 --> 02:08:28,320
synchronicity is oh it's just

3444
02:08:32,790 --> 02:08:30,000
coincidence

3445
02:08:34,790 --> 02:08:32,800
you know it's like you'll get

3446
02:08:37,430 --> 02:08:34,800
three hole-in-ones but never do it again

3447
02:08:38,550 --> 02:08:37,440
for the rest of your life or

3448
02:08:41,030 --> 02:08:38,560
anything

3449
02:08:43,030 --> 02:08:41,040
where things sort of just align things

3450
02:08:44,790 --> 02:08:43,040
align like for example we were talking

3451
02:08:46,069 --> 02:08:44,800
about a particular guest who might be on

3452
02:08:48,470 --> 02:08:46,079
next week's show

3453
02:08:50,870 --> 02:08:48,480
and that particular second i didn't even

3454
02:08:53,270 --> 02:08:50,880
know he was online he posted a message

3455
02:08:54,790 --> 02:08:53,280
in our forums

3456
02:08:57,109 --> 02:08:54,800
well that my favorite one was from

3457
02:08:58,790 --> 02:08:57,119
charles fort the guy goes fishing loses

3458
02:09:01,669 --> 02:08:58,800
his wedding ring

3459
02:09:04,390 --> 02:09:01,679
and comes back to the same dock 30 years

3460
02:09:05,990 --> 02:09:04,400
later is fishing catches a fish cleans a

3461
02:09:08,069 --> 02:09:06,000
fish and there's his wedding ring inside

3462
02:09:10,390 --> 02:09:08,079
the fish that's one of my all-time

3463
02:09:13,350 --> 02:09:10,400
favorites that was a very fishy thing to

3464
02:09:14,870 --> 02:09:13,360
happen yeah yeah i agree

3465
02:09:16,229 --> 02:09:14,880
i agree that that's a very fishy thing

3466
02:09:18,629 --> 02:09:16,239
to happen and i'm not sure i believe

3467
02:09:21,430 --> 02:09:18,639
that story but it's two bad jokes in a

3468
02:09:23,109 --> 02:09:21,440
row let's continue yeah well

3469
02:09:24,170 --> 02:09:23,119
so you're saying that one was downwind

3470
02:09:25,589 --> 02:09:24,180
of the fish market huh

3471
02:09:27,990 --> 02:09:25,599
[Laughter]

3472
02:09:29,990 --> 02:09:28,000
oh very much so but

3473
02:09:31,189 --> 02:09:30,000
you know really close to the fish market

3474
02:09:32,870 --> 02:09:31,199
for it i mean

3475
02:09:33,750 --> 02:09:32,880
you can't go wrong with old chuck you

3476
02:09:36,550 --> 02:09:33,760
know

3477
02:09:38,470 --> 02:09:36,560
make of that

3478
02:09:39,830 --> 02:09:38,480
well it's it's it's a good one

3479
02:09:41,189 --> 02:09:39,840
yeah

3480
02:09:42,310 --> 02:09:41,199
if it's real

3481
02:09:44,149 --> 02:09:42,320
that's a good one it's real it

3482
02:09:45,990 --> 02:09:44,159
definitely is yeah there's some

3483
02:09:47,510 --> 02:09:46,000
there are some synchronousies that i

3484
02:09:49,990 --> 02:09:47,520
have read that

3485
02:09:51,669 --> 02:09:50,000
i struggle to fit into my model but

3486
02:09:53,350 --> 02:09:51,679
they're not that many

3487
02:09:56,229 --> 02:09:53,360
one of them one of them that still

3488
02:09:58,229 --> 02:09:56,239
troubles me is the one that um jacques

3489
02:10:02,149 --> 02:09:58,239
valet talks about in his i think he

3490
02:10:06,470 --> 02:10:05,270
yeah that that to me is is

3491
02:10:08,629 --> 02:10:06,480
really

3492
02:10:10,550 --> 02:10:08,639
astonishing and clearly astonished him

3493
02:10:12,550 --> 02:10:10,560
although even there

3494
02:10:14,470 --> 02:10:12,560
it would i realize it would actually fit

3495
02:10:16,550 --> 02:10:14,480
into my model if

3496
02:10:19,270 --> 02:10:16,560
yeah let's explain how it fits into your

3497
02:10:21,189 --> 02:10:19,280
model in our next segment okay

3498
02:10:27,270 --> 02:10:21,199
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hi this is joshua p warren author of the

3595
02:14:49,990 --> 02:14:47,599
poor man's paranormal and you're

3596
02:14:55,120 --> 02:14:50,000
listening to the paracast the gold

3597
02:14:55,130 --> 02:15:00,550
[Music]

3598
02:15:04,950 --> 02:15:02,950
explain to us this item from

3599
02:15:07,189 --> 02:15:04,960
jacques volley's book how it fits into

3600
02:15:09,430 --> 02:15:07,199
your model eric wago but before we do

3601
02:15:11,510 --> 02:15:09,440
that i did hear from jacques

3602
02:15:14,790 --> 02:15:11,520
very recently they're working on new

3603
02:15:16,390 --> 02:15:14,800
ufos and antiquity book with chris obick

3604
02:15:19,270 --> 02:15:16,400
so he's not focusing on the current

3605
02:15:21,030 --> 02:15:19,280
stuff right now now please go ahead eric

3606
02:15:22,870 --> 02:15:21,040
what i'm waiting for him to do i'm

3607
02:15:24,550 --> 02:15:22,880
really waiting for volume three of

3608
02:15:27,189 --> 02:15:24,560
forbidden science i really hope it will

3609
02:15:29,589 --> 02:15:27,199
be coming i hope there there is a volume

3610
02:15:31,510 --> 02:15:29,599
three in the works because his diaries

3611
02:15:33,270 --> 02:15:31,520
are unbelievably great i don't know if

3612
02:15:34,229 --> 02:15:33,280
you guys have read them but okay to

3613
02:15:35,669 --> 02:15:34,239
answer your question about the

3614
02:15:38,149 --> 02:15:35,679
melchizedek thing which he also talks

3615
02:15:40,709 --> 02:15:38,159
about in his in his journals basically

3616
02:15:42,950 --> 02:15:40,719
he you know okay first of all he sees

3617
02:15:44,950 --> 02:15:42,960
you know this name al hisidek all over

3618
02:15:46,709 --> 02:15:44,960
the subways i think it's in paris

3619
02:15:48,870 --> 02:15:46,719
uh he sort of

3620
02:15:50,870 --> 02:15:48,880
finds out that this is a ufo

3621
02:15:53,109 --> 02:15:50,880
kind of cult ufo group it's sort of

3622
02:15:55,270 --> 02:15:53,119
international winds up studying this

3623
02:15:57,109 --> 02:15:55,280
sort of as part of his research for his

3624
02:15:59,189 --> 02:15:57,119
book messengers of deception

3625
02:16:01,030 --> 02:15:59,199
and then he's i forget what the

3626
02:16:02,470 --> 02:16:01,040
circumstance was but he was taking a

3627
02:16:05,350 --> 02:16:02,480
taxi cab

3628
02:16:06,310 --> 02:16:05,360
home or taking a taxicab to a studio or

3629
02:16:07,750 --> 02:16:06,320
something where he was going to record

3630
02:16:10,550 --> 02:16:07,760
something and

3631
02:16:13,430 --> 02:16:10,560
the driver of the taxi's name turns out

3632
02:16:15,990 --> 02:16:13,440
to be melchizedek and it turns out that

3633
02:16:18,870 --> 02:16:16,000
there's only one melchizedek in the la

3634
02:16:21,030 --> 02:16:18,880
phone directory so you know the odds

3635
02:16:23,430 --> 02:16:21,040
against this are just you know

3636
02:16:24,950 --> 02:16:23,440
just astronomical so you know that

3637
02:16:25,990 --> 02:16:24,960
clearly had a huge

3638
02:16:27,750 --> 02:16:26,000
huge

3639
02:16:30,310 --> 02:16:27,760
impact on on him

3640
02:16:32,230 --> 02:16:30,320
but here's my proposal and i honestly

3641
02:16:33,990 --> 02:16:32,240
i'm not saying this is what happened but

3642
02:16:35,270 --> 02:16:34,000
it could fit into my model in the

3643
02:16:37,349 --> 02:16:35,280
following way

3644
02:16:38,309 --> 02:16:37,359
that the precipitating event

3645
02:16:39,910 --> 02:16:38,319
here

3646
02:16:42,709 --> 02:16:39,920
was

3647
02:16:45,509 --> 02:16:42,719
the coincidence of

3648
02:16:48,070 --> 02:16:45,519
a cab driver named melchizedek

3649
02:16:50,629 --> 02:16:48,080
after having done a research project on

3650
02:16:54,070 --> 02:16:50,639
melchizedek and that that

3651
02:16:54,950 --> 02:16:54,080
that astonishment echoed back in time

3652
02:16:57,830 --> 02:16:54,960
and

3653
02:16:59,589 --> 02:16:57,840
primed him to see the name melchizedek

3654
02:17:01,669 --> 02:16:59,599
on the subway

3655
02:17:04,549 --> 02:17:01,679
walls to begin with which set him on the

3656
02:17:06,549 --> 02:17:04,559
whole course of studying ufos so it'd be

3657
02:17:09,270 --> 02:17:06,559
like a time loop like sort of the

3658
02:17:11,509 --> 02:17:09,280
feedback loop time loop uh kind of thing

3659
02:17:12,950 --> 02:17:11,519
that i'm i'm discussing that maybe the

3660
02:17:15,110 --> 02:17:12,960
precipit maybe the whole the

3661
02:17:17,669 --> 02:17:15,120
precipitating thing

3662
02:17:18,709 --> 02:17:17,679
here was the cause of the whole of his

3663
02:17:20,629 --> 02:17:18,719
whole

3664
02:17:22,870 --> 02:17:20,639
path over the course of those however

3665
02:17:25,429 --> 02:17:22,880
many months why would why would the name

3666
02:17:27,589 --> 02:17:25,439
melchizedek have such a profound impact

3667
02:17:30,469 --> 02:17:27,599
on him well just seeing it uh you know

3668
02:17:32,389 --> 02:17:30,479
on the plate of a cab driver because it

3669
02:17:34,870 --> 02:17:32,399
had an impact because he'd just done all

3670
02:17:38,070 --> 02:17:34,880
this research on melchizedek because he

3671
02:17:39,589 --> 02:17:38,080
saw it on the subway wall because and he

3672
02:17:42,950 --> 02:17:39,599
saw it on he noticed it on the subway

3673
02:17:46,469 --> 02:17:42,960
wall because of a future coincidence i'm

3674
02:17:48,309 --> 02:17:46,479
saying yes it is like a closed kind of

3675
02:17:50,389 --> 02:17:48,319
time loop um

3676
02:17:53,349 --> 02:17:50,399
i know i mean it's totally illogical and

3677
02:17:55,429 --> 02:17:53,359
totally defies logic well it's it's

3678
02:17:57,270 --> 02:17:55,439
science fiction land here it's what's

3679
02:17:59,669 --> 02:17:57,280
cause and what's effect basically

3680
02:18:02,150 --> 02:17:59,679
exactly yeah that's the question chicken

3681
02:18:04,389 --> 02:18:02,160
and egg yeah yeah but that's again i'm

3682
02:18:05,990 --> 02:18:04,399
i'm tossing that out there i you know

3683
02:18:07,429 --> 02:18:06,000
i'd hate to

3684
02:18:08,629 --> 02:18:07,439
i hope chuck ballet doesn't hear this

3685
02:18:10,709 --> 02:18:08,639
because he probably think that was

3686
02:18:12,309 --> 02:18:10,719
stupid but you know that that is the way

3687
02:18:15,830 --> 02:18:12,319
that it would work in the in the system

3688
02:18:21,429 --> 02:18:17,349
well i tell you i've had some

3689
02:18:24,070 --> 02:18:22,870
you know have always

3690
02:18:25,750 --> 02:18:24,080
have always puzzled me and i'm

3691
02:18:27,750 --> 02:18:25,760
constantly um

3692
02:18:29,589 --> 02:18:27,760
you know on the lookout

3693
02:18:31,509 --> 02:18:29,599
for these things and and and especially

3694
02:18:34,150 --> 02:18:31,519
synchronicities that may

3695
02:18:36,790 --> 02:18:34,160
tie into the whole idea of precognition

3696
02:18:38,389 --> 02:18:36,800
thinking about somebody they call

3697
02:18:40,150 --> 02:18:38,399
everybody's had that happen at one point

3698
02:18:41,830 --> 02:18:40,160
in their lives i'm sure um that's a

3699
02:18:43,910 --> 02:18:41,840
fairly common one

3700
02:18:45,349 --> 02:18:43,920
um thinking about somebody and then

3701
02:18:47,589 --> 02:18:45,359
running into them

3702
02:18:49,589 --> 02:18:47,599
uh you know i had a interesting

3703
02:18:51,509 --> 02:18:49,599
synchronicity where i had a college

3704
02:18:53,190 --> 02:18:51,519
friend of mine i hadn't seen in years

3705
02:18:54,469 --> 02:18:53,200
and within one week i ran into them

3706
02:18:58,469 --> 02:18:54,479
three times

3707
02:19:00,230 --> 02:18:58,479
including uh twice in manhattan and once

3708
02:19:02,549 --> 02:19:00,240
passing each other on walkways in the

3709
02:19:04,070 --> 02:19:02,559
minneapolis airport i mean what are the

3710
02:19:06,070 --> 02:19:04,080
odds right

3711
02:19:07,349 --> 02:19:06,080
these things do happen i think there is

3712
02:19:09,349 --> 02:19:07,359
some sort of

3713
02:19:11,429 --> 02:19:09,359
of clue there i i think we're dealing

3714
02:19:13,669 --> 02:19:11,439
with uh as you said a chick in the egg

3715
02:19:15,509 --> 02:19:13,679
type scenario there may be

3716
02:19:17,110 --> 02:19:15,519
some hidden causality going on that

3717
02:19:19,030 --> 02:19:17,120
we're not aware of that maybe bass

3718
02:19:21,429 --> 02:19:19,040
awkwards from from the way that we would

3719
02:19:22,389 --> 02:19:21,439
normally normally think about it yeah

3720
02:19:24,309 --> 02:19:22,399
yeah

3721
02:19:25,669 --> 02:19:24,319
well i think the the base is the most

3722
02:19:27,589 --> 02:19:25,679
basic kind of synchronicity that you

3723
02:19:29,270 --> 02:19:27,599
mentioned the you know where you're

3724
02:19:31,270 --> 02:19:29,280
thinking you think of someone and then

3725
02:19:32,389 --> 02:19:31,280
like 10 minutes later you get an email

3726
02:19:33,910 --> 02:19:32,399
from them or you run into them on the

3727
02:19:35,910 --> 02:19:33,920
street or whatever i think that's the

3728
02:19:37,669 --> 02:19:35,920
easiest to explain using the

3729
02:19:39,270 --> 02:19:37,679
precognition model that i'm saying

3730
02:19:41,030 --> 02:19:39,280
because it's basically exactly the same

3731
02:19:42,870 --> 02:19:41,040
thing as what happens in one of dean

3732
02:19:43,910 --> 02:19:42,880
raiden's experiments

3733
02:19:46,230 --> 02:19:43,920
which is

3734
02:19:47,589 --> 02:19:46,240
uh you know often it's it's someone that

3735
02:19:50,309 --> 02:19:47,599
you don't run into every day so there's

3736
02:19:51,510 --> 02:19:50,319
like a a real surprise factor or you

3737
02:19:52,550 --> 02:19:51,520
know wow i haven't seen that person in

3738
02:19:53,510 --> 02:19:52,560
10 years

3739
02:19:55,190 --> 02:19:53,520
whatever

3740
02:19:57,750 --> 02:19:55,200
and the

3741
02:19:59,429 --> 02:19:57,760
that emotionality that salience that

3742
02:20:00,710 --> 02:19:59,439
emotional salience in your day it sort

3743
02:20:03,429 --> 02:20:00,720
of stands out

3744
02:20:06,070 --> 02:20:03,439
you know it echoes back in time you know

3745
02:20:08,150 --> 02:20:06,080
10 minutes or 20 minutes or you know

3746
02:20:10,630 --> 02:20:08,160
whatever and so you have that thought

3747
02:20:12,230 --> 02:20:10,640
and that's what stimulates the thought

3748
02:20:13,110 --> 02:20:12,240
because we assume that our train of

3749
02:20:16,469 --> 02:20:13,120
thought

3750
02:20:18,309 --> 02:20:16,479
again it has that linear causal causal

3751
02:20:19,750 --> 02:20:18,319
direction that you know we think of

3752
02:20:22,230 --> 02:20:19,760
something or we have a thought we have

3753
02:20:23,429 --> 02:20:22,240
an emotion well it must be because of

3754
02:20:24,790 --> 02:20:23,439
you know we just assume that it's

3755
02:20:27,270 --> 02:20:24,800
because of the

3756
02:20:28,389 --> 02:20:27,280
forward flow of events

3757
02:20:31,830 --> 02:20:28,399
in our

3758
02:20:34,150 --> 02:20:31,840
daily experience um but

3759
02:20:36,870 --> 02:20:34,160
i'm saying that you know some of these

3760
02:20:38,070 --> 02:20:36,880
you know on an unconscious level

3761
02:20:38,870 --> 02:20:38,080
um

3762
02:20:40,469 --> 02:20:38,880
you know

3763
02:20:41,670 --> 02:20:40,479
information from the future

3764
02:20:44,389 --> 02:20:41,680
if if

3765
02:20:45,349 --> 02:20:44,399
dean rayden and all those guys are right

3766
02:20:47,349 --> 02:20:45,359
then

3767
02:20:49,030 --> 02:20:47,359
on an unconscious level we are receiving

3768
02:20:52,469 --> 02:20:49,040
information from the future

3769
02:20:54,230 --> 02:20:52,479
and it's gonna percolate up into our

3770
02:20:56,150 --> 02:20:54,240
consciousness in all these different

3771
02:20:58,710 --> 02:20:56,160
ways by stimulating

3772
02:21:00,870 --> 02:20:58,720
you know a certain thought or getting us

3773
02:21:02,309 --> 02:21:00,880
to you know have a certain emotion you

3774
02:21:03,830 --> 02:21:02,319
know and we're going to miss it because

3775
02:21:05,910 --> 02:21:03,840
we're always looking backwards we're

3776
02:21:07,750 --> 02:21:05,920
always assuming that the causality is in

3777
02:21:10,710 --> 02:21:07,760
one direction and that it's not there's

3778
02:21:12,469 --> 02:21:10,720
not a more complex story well you know

3779
02:21:13,590 --> 02:21:12,479
that kind of brings brings me to the

3780
02:21:16,070 --> 02:21:13,600
question of

3781
02:21:18,550 --> 02:21:16,080
why don't we see more accurate uh

3782
02:21:20,230 --> 02:21:18,560
profits in prophecy you would think that

3783
02:21:22,309 --> 02:21:20,240
there would be people possibly on some

3784
02:21:24,550 --> 02:21:22,319
level that would be tapping into

3785
02:21:26,550 --> 02:21:24,560
into this particular

3786
02:21:28,230 --> 02:21:26,560
structure or scenario

3787
02:21:30,309 --> 02:21:28,240
and would be able to then effectively

3788
02:21:33,510 --> 02:21:30,319
use it whether by design or by accident

3789
02:21:35,670 --> 02:21:33,520
uh to prophesize uh future events

3790
02:21:37,990 --> 02:21:35,680
uh profits by and large don't have

3791
02:21:39,349 --> 02:21:38,000
really a very good track record and the

3792
02:21:41,830 --> 02:21:39,359
ones that do

3793
02:21:44,389 --> 02:21:41,840
are so general and so kind of open to

3794
02:21:46,870 --> 02:21:44,399
interpretation like nostradamus and

3795
02:21:48,150 --> 02:21:46,880
and um you know a few others uh what was

3796
02:21:49,830 --> 02:21:48,160
the mother

3797
02:21:52,070 --> 02:21:49,840
what was her name uh

3798
02:21:54,230 --> 02:21:52,080
not mother jones um

3799
02:21:55,990 --> 02:21:54,240
there was some woman prophet i think in

3800
02:21:57,830 --> 02:21:56,000
the middle ages that actually

3801
02:21:59,590 --> 02:21:57,840
was fairly accurate but

3802
02:22:02,230 --> 02:21:59,600
shouldn't we be seeing more prophets uh

3803
02:22:04,230 --> 02:22:02,240
prophesizing and blowing people's minds

3804
02:22:07,349 --> 02:22:04,240
and uh ending up in the national

3805
02:22:09,110 --> 02:22:07,359
enquirer that is a huge hugely important

3806
02:22:10,710 --> 02:22:09,120
question and i've i've actually thought

3807
02:22:12,230 --> 02:22:10,720
a lot about this and i've written about

3808
02:22:13,990 --> 02:22:12,240
this on my blog too

3809
02:22:15,429 --> 02:22:14,000
i think there are actually some good

3810
02:22:16,790 --> 02:22:15,439
reasons why

3811
02:22:19,190 --> 02:22:16,800
prophecy

3812
02:22:21,349 --> 02:22:19,200
is really rare and why

3813
02:22:23,030 --> 02:22:21,359
these kinds of psy abilities

3814
02:22:24,230 --> 02:22:23,040
particularly precognition

3815
02:22:28,469 --> 02:22:24,240
are not

3816
02:22:29,590 --> 02:22:28,479
manifested more obviously in our lives

3817
02:22:31,110 --> 02:22:29,600
and

3818
02:22:37,190 --> 02:22:31,120
it

3819
02:22:39,110 --> 02:22:37,200
again yeah i like to think about you

3820
02:22:41,510 --> 02:22:39,120
know the frank herbert universe

3821
02:22:44,150 --> 02:22:41,520
uh he used a very interesting uh

3822
02:22:47,030 --> 02:22:44,160
literary device to explain why

3823
02:22:49,990 --> 02:22:47,040
uh prophecy is unreliable in a world

3824
02:22:51,750 --> 02:22:50,000
that includes more than one prophet um

3825
02:22:53,750 --> 02:22:51,760
and i think it was dude messiah he

3826
02:22:54,870 --> 02:22:53,760
there's a plot to assassinate palmua

3827
02:22:57,670 --> 02:22:54,880
deep you know who has these this

3828
02:23:00,230 --> 02:22:57,680
oracular vision and so the ma this plot

3829
02:23:01,030 --> 02:23:00,240
these these these plotters to mask their

3830
02:23:07,349 --> 02:23:01,040
their

3831
02:23:09,030 --> 02:23:07,359
steersman who himself has oracular

3832
02:23:11,110 --> 02:23:09,040
powers and this

3833
02:23:12,230 --> 02:23:11,120
cloaks essentially cloaks their

3834
02:23:14,550 --> 02:23:12,240
activities

3835
02:23:16,550 --> 02:23:14,560
from paul's ability to see well i think

3836
02:23:18,630 --> 02:23:16,560
that something like that actually

3837
02:23:19,590 --> 02:23:18,640
is operative if you if everybody was a

3838
02:23:21,510 --> 02:23:19,600
prophet

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if everybody could see the future but

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also

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i'd hate to be a bookie

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yeah well right i mean the point is

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everybody's freely willed action

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would negate the value of that

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information

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it would it would be mush it would be

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useless and so we would evolve

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a

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c

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hi this is nick pope you're listening to

3949
02:28:50,870 --> 02:28:48,150
with gene and kristen the power cast

3950
02:28:53,349 --> 02:28:50,880
this has been a fascinating journey

3951
02:28:54,630 --> 02:28:53,359
well to the past the future to multiple

3952
02:28:57,429 --> 02:28:54,640
realities

3953
02:28:59,270 --> 02:28:57,439
with gene and chris and eric wago chris

3954
02:29:03,429 --> 02:28:59,280
here's some precognition

3955
02:29:09,270 --> 02:29:05,670
go ahead say it again

3956
02:29:12,790 --> 02:29:09,280
i want to hear some precognition oh

3957
02:29:14,150 --> 02:29:12,800
well i almost had a very talented wife

3958
02:29:16,150 --> 02:29:14,160
from sweden

3959
02:29:19,429 --> 02:29:16,160
very talented psychic but she left

3960
02:29:22,469 --> 02:29:21,429
true story i've never heard that that's

3961
02:29:26,070 --> 02:29:22,479
good

3962
02:29:29,429 --> 02:29:28,230
hey i liked it compared to your jokes

3963
02:29:31,429 --> 02:29:29,439
pal

3964
02:29:33,510 --> 02:29:31,439
i don't tell jokes

3965
02:29:35,429 --> 02:29:33,520
no here's another good one it's a steve

3966
02:29:37,110 --> 02:29:35,439
wright joke talk about an interesting

3967
02:29:39,590 --> 02:29:37,120
comedian he'll stand there in front of a

3968
02:29:41,030 --> 02:29:39,600
huge audience and go all right how many

3969
02:29:42,870 --> 02:29:41,040
people out there believe in

3970
02:29:47,590 --> 02:29:42,880
psychokinesis

3971
02:29:52,550 --> 02:29:49,910
i missed you right he was awesome yeah

3972
02:29:53,670 --> 02:29:52,560
he was good i ran into him on a bus once

3973
02:29:55,510 --> 02:29:53,680
and uh

3974
02:29:57,429 --> 02:29:55,520
and it was like woody allen you know the

3975
02:29:59,190 --> 02:29:57,439
very fact that i recognized him freaked

3976
02:30:01,349 --> 02:29:59,200
him out and you know

3977
02:30:03,590 --> 02:30:01,359
he i could tell he thought maybe i was

3978
02:30:06,309 --> 02:30:03,600
an axe murderer or

3979
02:30:08,070 --> 02:30:06,319
you know a mark david chapman type or

3980
02:30:10,550 --> 02:30:08,080
oh he was just really really

3981
02:30:12,870 --> 02:30:10,560
uncomfortable that uh that i knew who he

3982
02:30:14,790 --> 02:30:12,880
was and you remembered him at all unless

3983
02:30:17,510 --> 02:30:14,800
you were a stalker

3984
02:30:19,670 --> 02:30:17,520
well i love i've always loved his joke

3985
02:30:21,030 --> 02:30:19,680
you know everybody so science is so

3986
02:30:22,950 --> 02:30:21,040
concerned with the speed of light and

3987
02:30:26,230 --> 02:30:22,960
it's so important i want to know what's

3988
02:30:30,150 --> 02:30:27,910
and you know what the answer is

3989
02:30:32,070 --> 02:30:30,160
the speed of dark is how quickly

3990
02:30:34,230 --> 02:30:32,080
consolidation of the media is occurring

3991
02:30:37,670 --> 02:30:34,240
by corporations

3992
02:30:40,230 --> 02:30:37,680
okay again very close

3993
02:30:42,389 --> 02:30:40,240
they talk about liberal media and they

3994
02:30:45,110 --> 02:30:42,399
haven't the clue when they talk about it

3995
02:30:46,870 --> 02:30:45,120
i hate to get political here again but

3996
02:30:48,550 --> 02:30:46,880
hey dick cheney's got a heart so we can

3997
02:30:50,790 --> 02:30:48,560
all breathe easier now

3998
02:30:53,030 --> 02:30:50,800
the problem is who's heart

3999
02:30:55,670 --> 02:30:53,040
right yeah

4000
02:30:57,030 --> 02:30:55,680
that is that's a scary thought

4001
02:30:59,510 --> 02:30:57,040
well

4002
02:31:01,110 --> 02:30:59,520
would you go hunting with the man

4003
02:31:03,910 --> 02:31:01,120
i wouldn't go hunting with anybody but

4004
02:31:08,469 --> 02:31:06,550
good thing he uses bird shot

4005
02:31:10,630 --> 02:31:08,479
dang

4006
02:31:11,830 --> 02:31:10,640
yeah well we're in our last segment eric

4007
02:31:14,070 --> 02:31:11,840
obviously we're gonna have to have you

4008
02:31:15,670 --> 02:31:14,080
back on the show um you know this is the

4009
02:31:17,429 --> 02:31:15,680
kind of thing that really

4010
02:31:18,710 --> 02:31:17,439
i look forward to

4011
02:31:20,790 --> 02:31:18,720
you know i love all these subjects that

4012
02:31:22,550 --> 02:31:20,800
we cover but but when we start talking

4013
02:31:24,550 --> 02:31:22,560
about real cutting edge thinking in

4014
02:31:26,469 --> 02:31:24,560
terms of reality

4015
02:31:28,550 --> 02:31:26,479
you know how it's set up

4016
02:31:30,790 --> 02:31:28,560
you know the blind spots that that may

4017
02:31:33,270 --> 02:31:30,800
exist within our our model of of

4018
02:31:34,950 --> 02:31:33,280
consciousness reality our perceptions uh

4019
02:31:36,710 --> 02:31:34,960
chicken and the egg issues

4020
02:31:39,510 --> 02:31:36,720
this is the kind of stuff that i really

4021
02:31:42,550 --> 02:31:39,520
uh really enjoy uh talking about and

4022
02:31:44,710 --> 02:31:42,560
i'm gonna be keeping an eye on your blog

4023
02:31:46,230 --> 02:31:44,720
and uh i would really like it if we

4024
02:31:48,469 --> 02:31:46,240
could get you back on the show we've

4025
02:31:50,469 --> 02:31:48,479
we've had some questions on our forums

4026
02:31:52,630 --> 02:31:50,479
of um from jeff davis and others who

4027
02:31:53,910 --> 02:31:52,640
were who are fans uh

4028
02:31:56,550 --> 02:31:53,920
you do have some fans here at the

4029
02:31:58,469 --> 02:31:56,560
paracast and you know this is why the

4030
02:32:00,550 --> 02:31:58,479
paracast i think is important because

4031
02:32:02,630 --> 02:32:00,560
there aren't many people like you out

4032
02:32:04,389 --> 02:32:02,640
there willing to get on the radio on a

4033
02:32:05,670 --> 02:32:04,399
show like this and talk about these

4034
02:32:07,030 --> 02:32:05,680
these types of

4035
02:32:09,670 --> 02:32:07,040
a very very

4036
02:32:12,790 --> 02:32:09,680
uh progressive complicated subjects and

4037
02:32:14,790 --> 02:32:12,800
um you know anytime uh you know we can

4038
02:32:16,309 --> 02:32:14,800
get a guest like you on here i'm i'm

4039
02:32:17,830 --> 02:32:16,319
happy about it and i really want to

4040
02:32:19,830 --> 02:32:17,840
thank you for being on

4041
02:32:21,429 --> 02:32:19,840
what are some of the projects now that

4042
02:32:22,790 --> 02:32:21,439
uh and some of the thinking

4043
02:32:23,990 --> 02:32:22,800
where is it leading you what are some of

4044
02:32:25,830 --> 02:32:24,000
the things that you're you're kind of

4045
02:32:27,429 --> 02:32:25,840
progressing towards do you think

4046
02:32:30,070 --> 02:32:27,439
you know i just saw

4047
02:32:31,670 --> 02:32:30,080
ex machina the other night uh have you

4048
02:32:35,190 --> 02:32:31,680
guys seen that movie yet

4049
02:32:37,670 --> 02:32:35,200
it's uh you know what movie ex machina

4050
02:32:38,550 --> 02:32:37,680
the the new science fiction movie about

4051
02:32:40,790 --> 02:32:38,560
um

4052
02:32:43,349 --> 02:32:40,800
it's by the i forget the name of the

4053
02:32:45,270 --> 02:32:43,359
uh who the director is but he uh the the

4054
02:32:47,270 --> 02:32:45,280
screenwriter of 28 days later and a few

4055
02:32:48,790 --> 02:32:47,280
other movies uh but it's it's this

4056
02:32:51,110 --> 02:32:48,800
really excellent science fiction movie

4057
02:32:54,230 --> 02:32:51,120
about a sort of a

4058
02:32:55,670 --> 02:32:54,240
silicon valley tycoon type who creates

4059
02:32:57,590 --> 02:32:55,680
an artificial intelligence and

4060
02:32:59,190 --> 02:32:57,600
artificially a

4061
02:33:02,309 --> 02:32:59,200
basically a conscious

4062
02:33:05,429 --> 02:33:02,319
uh female android and he brings this

4063
02:33:08,790 --> 02:33:05,439
employee of his to his like remote like

4064
02:33:09,750 --> 02:33:08,800
lab to basically spend a week with this

4065
02:33:14,070 --> 02:33:09,760
this

4066
02:33:16,070 --> 02:33:14,080
the turing test essentially try and sort

4067
02:33:18,389 --> 02:33:16,080
of convince him that this is that she's

4068
02:33:19,190 --> 02:33:18,399
conscious and it's it's really a smart

4069
02:33:21,110 --> 02:33:19,200
well

4070
02:33:23,110 --> 02:33:21,120
cool really cool movie

4071
02:33:26,070 --> 02:33:23,120
uh who plays the android

4072
02:33:27,750 --> 02:33:26,080
oh she's this very pretty i think she's

4073
02:33:28,870 --> 02:33:27,760
a swedish actress i forget her name but

4074
02:33:30,870 --> 02:33:28,880
um

4075
02:33:34,070 --> 02:33:30,880
but it's really really a good really

4076
02:33:35,510 --> 02:33:34,080
good movie and uh and i have you know

4077
02:33:37,510 --> 02:33:35,520
i'm usually really disappointed by

4078
02:33:39,190 --> 02:33:37,520
hollywood you know treatments of you

4079
02:33:42,070 --> 02:33:39,200
know questions about ai and stuff like

4080
02:33:43,750 --> 02:33:42,080
that but this this really i thought you

4081
02:33:45,830 --> 02:33:43,760
know did it quite well

4082
02:33:49,270 --> 02:33:45,840
let me give you some basic information

4083
02:33:51,750 --> 02:33:49,280
the movies open in limited distribution

4084
02:33:53,349 --> 02:33:51,760
it got an 89

4085
02:33:55,510 --> 02:33:53,359
rating of rotten tomatoes which is

4086
02:33:58,389 --> 02:33:55,520
pretty high that is that's pretty good

4087
02:34:00,630 --> 02:33:58,399
director is alex garland

4088
02:34:02,870 --> 02:34:00,640
okay right now he's getting all that

4089
02:34:03,910 --> 02:34:02,880
information it opened on april 10th

4090
02:34:06,230 --> 02:34:03,920
again

4091
02:34:08,630 --> 02:34:06,240
i know it's playing in the phoenix area

4092
02:34:10,150 --> 02:34:08,640
of arizona you kind of have to look at

4093
02:34:11,590 --> 02:34:10,160
where it's playing in your particular

4094
02:34:12,710 --> 02:34:11,600
city i'm sure it'll i'm sure it'll hit

4095
02:34:15,830 --> 02:34:12,720
red box

4096
02:34:17,270 --> 02:34:15,840
soon enough if it's unlimited uh release

4097
02:34:19,270 --> 02:34:17,280
right well any of that the reason i

4098
02:34:20,469 --> 02:34:19,280
bring that up is that i think

4099
02:34:21,990 --> 02:34:20,479
i'm really interested in this question

4100
02:34:24,070 --> 02:34:22,000
obviously consciousness i think all of

4101
02:34:25,190 --> 02:34:24,080
us who are sort of in thinking about

4102
02:34:26,950 --> 02:34:25,200
these things we really want to know

4103
02:34:28,469 --> 02:34:26,960
what's going on with consciousness and

4104
02:34:29,670 --> 02:34:28,479
an idea that i've sort of been toying

4105
02:34:31,510 --> 02:34:29,680
with for a long time and the

4106
02:34:32,389 --> 02:34:31,520
synchronicity series has kind of led to

4107
02:34:34,710 --> 02:34:32,399
this

4108
02:34:36,230 --> 02:34:34,720
or led back to it is that we might be

4109
02:34:37,510 --> 02:34:36,240
using the wrong word when we're talking

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about consciousness when we're talking

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about

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uh

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you know first of all for how for a

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model for sort of uniting

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my sort of mental phenomena and physical

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phenomena you know a lot of

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anti-materialists are trying to trying

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to talk about consciousness you know

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people like deepak chopra and stuff

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they're always talking about

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consciousness and also you know the ai

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community they're talking about you know

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creating conscious machines and should

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we create conscious machines and what

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will happen and is it possible

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i i think that consciousness is the

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wrong word i think that the

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that that it presupposes this kind of

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cold

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logical

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kind of self-conscious self

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i don't know it's the wrong it's sort of

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a computer

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almost term and i think what we're

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really looking for is something more

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emotional

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uh something more about

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enjoyment or bliss or these are topics i

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talk about a lot on my blog um

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uh something that's much more a feeling

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uh and that that's really the basis of

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what we're what we should be looking for

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and that if we're looking for some

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concept to unify

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you know physical models with with

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02:35:47,510 --> 02:35:45,760
psychology you've got to coin a new word

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02:35:49,270 --> 02:35:47,520
do an alexander hag on us and come up

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with a new word

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only moves forward at this at the pace

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of the language

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yeah

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to have some some posts upcoming

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uh on that

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you know do do like a cloud source i

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think do a contest what word

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would you suggest

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that has to encompass these things

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yeah it means that means consciousness

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but

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consciousness is not you know is is is

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too

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well i think i always come back

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to words like bliss and ecstasy because

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02:36:30,150 --> 02:36:28,160
i think that there's some fundamental

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02:36:32,309 --> 02:36:30,160
you know when mystics you know when they

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02:36:34,710 --> 02:36:32,319
dive deep in meditation or whatever they

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02:36:35,510 --> 02:36:34,720
always report that the fundamental field

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of

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you know it's not it's not consciousness

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02:36:41,830 --> 02:36:39,840
it's it's this bliss awareness it's like

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02:36:44,710 --> 02:36:41,840
this this this there's some there's a

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02:36:45,990 --> 02:36:44,720
blissful quality to it and

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02:36:48,630 --> 02:36:46,000
you know this gets

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02:36:50,389 --> 02:36:48,640
well how about extra nirvana bliss next

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there you go i love it

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02:36:55,910 --> 02:36:52,479
i love it and i think we have to wrap it

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02:36:58,630 --> 02:36:55,920
up here okay extra nirvana bliss

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02:37:01,110 --> 02:36:58,640
okay guys we have to wrap it up but we

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could go on for another six hours in any

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case eric tell our listeners where they

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can find more of the stuff that you

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write about okay my blog is

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reading some of this stuff it's pretty

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